Enemy of the People

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ClearwaterVol said:
I really cannot disagree, but it doesn't change my opinion that we have a click bait president.
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interesting take. Do you think Bill Clinton would have resigned had he not known the Senate didn't have the votes for removal from office? Just curipus. It's kind of the same thing
 
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#527
ClearwaterVol said:
We've never seen a press go after an administration so consistently because we've never had a president give them so much ammo while calling them liars.
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We have always seen a press thats the lapdog for the far-left, we have always seen a press that attacks and lies about R Presidents and politicians, we have never seen a Republican President finally fight back. Which is nice and refreshing
 
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newarkvol said:
Donald J. Trump "produced" these lies --although I am not sure he is in "control."---should the media overlook?
As the common refrain/excuse goes on VP, "all politicians lie"---ok I will give you that---but the sheer frequency of the dishonesty is without precedent.
"Our brains are particularly ill-equipped to deal with lies when they come not singly but in a constant stream, and Trump, we know, lies constantly, about matters as serious as the election results and as trivial as the tiles at Mar-a-Lago. (According to his butler, Anthony Senecal, Trump once said the tiles in a nursery at the West Palm Beach club had been made by Walt Disney himself; when Senecal protested, Trump had a single response: “Who cares?”) When we are overwhelmed with false, or potentially false, statements, our brains pretty quickly become so overworked that we stop trying to sift through everything. It’s called cognitive load—our limited cognitive resources are overburdened. It doesn’t matter how implausible the statements are; throw out enough of them, and people will inevitably absorb some. Eventually, without quite realizing it, our brains just give up trying to figure out what is true."

I'm pretty sure you have given up...no?
Trump’s Lies vs. Your Brain


Trump obliterates his dishonesty record: 132 false claims last week, 280 for July | The Star

Trump has said 1,340,330 words as president. They’re getting more dishonest, a Star study shows | The Star

All Pants on Fire! statements involving Donald Trump | PolitiFact (5 pages)
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TLDR

In 1984 the state controlled the media and the message. So in this scenario you’ve given, who is producing the media and the message?
 
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#529
SpaceCoastVol said:
interesting take. Do you think Bill Clinton would have resigned had he not known the Senate didn't have the votes for removal from office? Just curipus. It's kind of the same thing
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Bill liked to hunker down and weather storms. Unless it was by an extremely wide margin, no I don't think he resigns.
 
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volfanjustin said:
We have always seen a press thats the lapdog for the far-left, we have always seen a press that attacks and lies about R Presidents and politicians, we have never seen a Republican President finally fight back. Which is nice and refreshing
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Yeah, but he fights back like a whiny little b!tch.
 
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TennTom said:
Well, they wouldn't have to do it if it wasn't for a f****** moron spewing authoritarianism like a demented lunatic.
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That’s a bunch of virtue signaling politician affirming what the constitution already says . It’s laughable . What did this “ breaking news” do, anything ? Does it have any teeth ? No ? Shocked ! That’s because he isn’t attacking the free press he’s saying what the public already is saying with the TV rating . What concerns me more is watching CNN , NBC trying to get people banned off of media platforms like twitter , YouTube and Facebook for speaking “ freely “
 
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n_huffhines said:
He should fight back but his methods make him no better than the media.
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Perhaps...

The problem is they kinda started in on him from the get-go. Omarosa was right about one thing, he feeds off the negative press. When he announced, it was a ratings bonanza since he was popular, well known (outside of politics) and had a storied history. He did say some things to get attention and boy they gave it to him in a complete negative way. They doubled down when he became the front runner. Went crazy when he won the nomination. Had an apocalyptic rage when he won. And have lost their minds since then with continuing to be as negative as they can be. Not smart when dealing with Donald Trump.

You ever see the movie Rocky II? Specifically the scene where Apollo is trying to get Rocky into the ring for a rematch? His trainer says "He's all wrong for us, baby. I saw you beat that man like I never saw no man get beat before...and the man kept coming after you. We don't need a man like that in our lives." The press tried to treat Trump like a normal politician. He was not the right man to do that, hence, all wrong for them, baby. Most politicians won't punch back. Or lose interest quickly. Not Trump.

And no, Trump isn't Rocky. I have to say that before one of the mouthbreathers ( @Septic excluded) says I'm trying to make that analogy. However, the man has been beat like no President has ever been beat before...and he still keeps coming after them. Of course, they continue to walk right into the punches, so there's that.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Perhaps...

The problem is they kinda started in on him from the get-go.
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Yeah, but the media starts in on everybody from the get-go. It's not like Fox News was saying Obama was a swell guy in 2008. No, they were running stories about birth certificates, about how he was an inexperienced community organizer, got into Harvard with a lack of credentials, why won't he release his grades?, etc. Obama was under attack from Fox News every day of his presidency.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, but the media starts in on everybody from the get-go. It's not like Fox News was saying Obama was a swell guy in 2008. No, they were running stories about birth certificates, about how he was an inexperienced community organizer, got into Harvard with a lack of credentials, why won't he release his grades?, etc. Obama was under attack from Fox News every day of his presidency.
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Fox against CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC etc, etc. Well I suppose in viewers Fox probably matches the rest of them combined. Hopefully you see my point?
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
TLDR

In 1984 the state controlled the media and the message. So in this scenario you’ve given, who is producing the media and the message?
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I did reference 1984 because it seemed apt given trump's serial dishonesty. You know, repeat a lie often enough... But, i seem to think-- as mentioned in Amateur Hour--that Huxley's Brave New World/ Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death is more illustrative and prescient vis-a-vis our current predicament. It's a shame that my post was TLDR---and not a little ironic

The Post-Literate American Presidency
 
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VolStrom said:
Fox against CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC etc, etc. Well I suppose in viewers Fox probably matches the rest of them combined. Hopefully you see my point?
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I don't see your point. You're saying there are more liberal media outlets, but I'm not sure what it has to do with the points I'm making. There are more conservative media outlets than libertarian, but I'm not pointing that out because it's not relevant.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't see your point. You're saying there are more liberal media outlets, but I'm not sure what it has to do with the points I'm making. There are more conservative media outlets than libertarian, but I'm not pointing that out because it's not relevant.
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It's okay. If you can't see the liberal media bias that surrounds this president you are blind.
 
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The hypocrisy is astounding ... Trump calls the liberal media that has blasted him everyday since he announced he’s running for president , fake news and they label him as authoritarian and trying to stifle free press . Obama administration literally spies on a fox reporter and an AP reporter , they give him a noble peace prize and wonder how they can get him to stay for a third term . SMH.
 
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The SUpress said they are not the enemy of the state. Why did they need to declare this? It should be obvious to everyone. Freedom of the press is a joke, all I see are various propaganda rags. Re-tweeters at best.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, but the media starts in on everybody from the get-go. It's not like Fox News was saying Obama was a swell guy in 2008. No, they were running stories about birth certificates, about how he was an inexperienced community organizer, got into Harvard with a lack of credentials, why won't he release his grades?, etc. Obama was under attack from Fox News every day of his presidency.
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Non-partisan answer?

Not like this. It eventually eased up.
 
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#549
VolStrom said:
It's okay. If you can't see the liberal media bias that surrounds this president you are blind.
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What's the point of conversing with you? You quote me and make an irrelevant point and then you follow it up with a straw man attack. I said that Trump is getting attacked more than any POTUS ever.
 
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#550
Grand Vol said:
Non-partisan answer?

Not like this. It eventually eased up.
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Yeah, it wasn't like this because Obama wasn't attacking conservative news outlets like this.

For example, Trump turned the news of Lebron's generous foundation into an uncalled for opportunity to attack both Lebron and Don Lemon by insulting their intelligence. It's no wonder why Trump gets it so bad. Who acts like this? Who sees someone act like this and then cries about how that person gets treated by others?
 
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