Enjoy the Win

[calban]

This is the part I don't get. Martin's style of play is to play tough defense and take good shots. People keep acting like Martin runs some kind of slow down, Wisconsin or Virginia style offense designed to milk the clock and shorten the game. Martin has said on a couple different occasions that UT needs to play faster.
This season's poor scoring is about perimeter shooting, FT shooting, and turnovers. Style of play may keep UT from averaging near 80ppg like a couple of Pearl's teams but it not the reason for 20 point halves.

I'm not sure sometimes what offense we're running.
Can't be motion because most of our guys are just standing and watching.
Motion offense is just that. Almost continuous motion no one in one spot more than 2 seconds.
Then you have guys that read the holes in the defense and react by creating their shots.
Takes 2 to 3 years to develop a good one and we didn't work on it last season.
That was part of the difference in the first and second half of the last game. More cutters. More movement.

 

[zansdad]

I'm not sure sometimes what offense we're running.
Can't be motion because most of our guys are just standing and watching.
Motion offense is just that. Almost continuous motion no one in one spot more than 2 seconds.
Then you have guys that read the holes in the defense and react by creating their shots.
Takes 2 to 3 years to develop a good one and we didn't work on it last season.
That was part of the difference in the first and second half of the last game. More cutters. More movement.

I personally think the trouble with UT's offense, when it is bad, are the players that let the ball 'stick' in their hands. Stokes is one of the worst for this. It's also one of the reasons that the team is so bad against a zone. Tyler Smith used to be horrible as well when CBP was still here.

Watch the ball sometimes and guys like McBee, Yemi and even Mcrae with his bad shot selection and all, catch the ball and then do something with it, be it pass it, shoot it, or dribble. But Golden and Stokes, as much as I like them, and Hall (meh) all have a tendency to let the ball settle for 2 to 3 seconds before doing anything. That pretty much ruins any sort of motion offense. Once the other 5 on the court are forced to stop and watch one guy just hold the ball the whole thing falls apart. And I really don't think Martin has a lot of options. He can't really bench Stokes or Golden (or really Hall at this point) so he is forced trying to coach it out of them.

All and all I think this team is still a work in progress. And I do agree with you that at times, it looks like they all just stand and watch the guards pass it back and forth around the 3pt line.

 

[calban]

I personally think the trouble with UT's offense, when it is bad, are the players that let the ball 'stick' in their hands. Stokes is one of the worst for this. It's also one of the reasons that the team is so bad against a zone. Tyler Smith used to be horrible as well when CBP was still here.

Watch the ball sometimes and guys like McBee, Yemi and even Mcrae with his bad shot selection and all, catch the ball and then do something with it, be it pass it, shoot it, or dribble. But Golden and Stokes, as much as I like them, and Hall (meh) all have a tendency to let the ball settle for 2 to 3 seconds before doing anything. That pretty much ruins any sort of motion offense. Once the other 5 on the court are forced to stop and watch one guy just hold the ball the whole thing falls apart. And I really don't think Martin has a lot of options. He can't really bench Stokes or Golden (or really Hall at this point) so he is forced trying to coach it out of them.

All and all I think this team is still a work in progress. And I do agree with you that at times, it looks like they all just stand and watch the guards pass it back and forth around the 3pt line.

Hopefully Martin has it oiled up by Feb.
Like to see a result like K State and FL last night.
Weber another Keady clone.

 

[Spartacavolus]

I personally think the trouble with UT's offense, when it is bad, are the players that let the ball 'stick' in their hands. Stokes is one of the worst for this. It's also one of the reasons that the team is so bad against a zone. Tyler Smith used to be horrible as well when CBP was still here.

Watch the ball sometimes and guys like McBee, Yemi and even Mcrae with his bad shot selection and all, catch the ball and then do something with it, be it pass it, shoot it, or dribble. But Golden and Stokes, as much as I like them, and Hall (meh) all have a tendency to let the ball settle for 2 to 3 seconds before doing anything. That pretty much ruins any sort of motion offense. Once the other 5 on the court are forced to stop and watch one guy just hold the ball the whole thing falls apart. And I really don't think Martin has a lot of options. He can't really bench Stokes or Golden (or really Hall at this point) so he is forced trying to coach it out of them.

All and all I think this team is still a work in progress. And I do agree with you that at times, it looks like they all just stand and watch the guards pass it back and forth around the 3pt line.

great points on holding the ball. These guys watch too much nba where they stand and watch a player with the ball go one on one. Like I even teach my kids teams and blow the whistle quickly if they don't do it...they better be dribbling with purpose, passing or shooting immediately, and cutting or picking if they don't have the ball. We do entirely too much standing around or dribbling the ball and going nowhere.

 

[UT IE 95]

One of my complaints about Martin is that he establishes no team identity. Well, he has an identity. A tough man defense that tends to push towards the FT line. This is fine and certainly an improvement, but the offense is putrid. Hopefully he's just incredibly slow installing his offense and this isn't a sign of his lack of ability.

 

[zansdad]

One of my complaints about Martin is that he establishes no team identity. Well, he has an identity. A tough man defense that tends to push towards the FT line. This is fine and certainly an improvement, but the offense is putrid. Hopefully he's just incredibly slow installing his offense and this isn't a sign of his lack of ability.

You can't discount injuries either. Everyone talks about Maymon, but Miller was a guy that had a year under his belt and, I think, would have played some minutes by now this season with Maymon out. Reese being out means that nearly 25% of the players on scholly haven't suited up for a single game all season. So not only is UT without probably their best player but they're also without 2 of the bench guys that potentially could have filled in for him.

 

[UT IE 95]

You can't discount injuries either. Everyone talks about Maymon, but Miller was a guy that had a year under his belt and, I think, would have played some minutes by now this season with Maymon out. Reese being out means that nearly 25% of the players on scholly haven't suited up for a single game all season. So not only is UT without probably their best player but they're also without 2 of the bench guys that potentially could have filled in for him.

I can give a guy some slack for having injuries play into performance, but our injuries have been known for what, 3 months? Maymon keeps getting pointed to as the reason this team struggles on offense. I don't buy that for one second. Martin has known he'd be out for plenty of time to have an offense without Maymon.

Now having three scholly guys out hurts depth no doubt.

 

[zansdad]

I can give a guy some slack for having injuries play into performance, but our injuries have been known for what, 3 months? Maymon keeps getting pointed to as the reason this team struggles on offense. I don't buy that for one second. Martin has known he'd be out for plenty of time to have an offense without Maymon.

Now having three scholly guys out hurts depth no doubt.

Knowing he's without Maymon and being able to replace your best player are separate things. I think if you take any team in America and remove the best player on their roster, that's a 3-4 game swing.

I do agree on having plenty of time to have come up with a plan B. I mean Kenny Hall and Q Chievous obviously haven't worked out as side-kicks for Stokes. Yemi plays hard but he and Stokes apparently cannot be on the floor at the same time. That leaves CCM with 4 guard line-ups. I personally think he was trying to see if he could get anything out of Hall before simply surrendering to the inevitable and going small ball.

 

[MphsBlues]

Knowing he's without Maymon and being able to replace your best player are separate things. I think if you take any team in America and remove the best player on their roster, that's a 3-4 game swing.

I do agree on having plenty of time to have come up with a plan B. I mean Kenny Hall and Q Chievous obviously haven't worked out as side-kicks for Stokes. Yemi plays hard but he and Stokes apparently cannot be on the floor at the same time. That leaves CCM with 4 guard line-ups. I personally think he was trying to see if he could get anything out of Hall before simply surrendering to the inevitable and going small ball.

That's a shame, too. Imagine if those two had some chemistry and were able to feed off of each other. Personally, I see what could be a very good frontcourt duo, but it just doesn't seem to work.

 

[zansdad]

That's a shame, too. Imagine if those two had some chemistry and were able to feed off of each other. Personally, I see what could be a very good frontcourt duo, but it just doesn't seem to work.

I was working off what one of the assistant coaches said during an interview during the summer. It was phrased something like "we don't like to have Yemi and Jarnell in the floor together" (paraphrasing that). I'm not really sure why. My first guess was that Stokes would be asked to guard an opponents 4 man; but he does that now with Hall in the floor. I also think Stokes is better facing the goal than with his back to it so Yemi on the floor might actually put Stokes in a more comfortable spot, offensively. I really don't understand why they are rarely on the floor together.

 

[zjcvols]

I was working off what one of the assistant coaches said during an interview during the summer. It was phrased something like "we don't like to have Yemi and Jarnell in the floor together" (paraphrasing that). I'm not really sure why. My first guess was that Stokes would be asked to guard an opponents 4 man; but he does that now with Hall in the floor. I also think Stokes is better facing the goal than with his back to it so Yemi on the floor might actually put Stokes in a more comfortable spot, offensively. I really don't understand why they are rarely on the floor together.

Maybe not enought floor spacing? Yemi stands a lot on offense, but so does Hall.