ESPN article on Dangerfield

[reno tony]

I think UConn just won another championship with a small PG, did they not?

Actually, they just won three championships with a small point guard. Her name is Moriah Jefferson and she also won the Nancy Lieberman award as the best point guard in the country last season.

 

[LadyVol1908]

Yawnnnnnnn....this thread brought out the trolls I see!

 

[j'adorevol89]

He was awesome in Caddyshack.

What's the name the movie when he went to college with his son and joined the diving team... I love that movie

 

[CannonVol80]

Actually, they just won three championships with a small point guard. Her name is Moriah Jefferson and she also won the Nancy Lieberman award as the best point guard in the country last season.

Actually, Moriah Jefferson isn't all that small. She is carried on the UConn roster as 5'7".

Jim

 

[reno tony]

Actually, Moriah Jefferson isn't all that small. She is carried on the UConn roster as 5'7".

Jim

I will probably be corrected, but I don't recall seeing any starting point guards on top 25 teams that were smaller than her. She might not be the smallest but I think she is on that edge of the spectrum. And I don't completely trust UCONN's assessment of her height.

 

[mcannon1]

Becky Hammon is listed as 5'6". So is Crystal Dangerfield. Tameka Johnson is 5' 3". Some listings for all three vary.

 

[reno tony]

I was referring to current college top 25 teams. Becky coaches in the WNBA, Tameka has been out of college for around ten years and Crystal is still in high school.

 

[mcannon1]

Actually, Becky Hammond coaches in the NBA.

I truly believe it's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's the size of the fight in the dog.

 

[DaddyChoc]

Dangerfield's idol is Moriah Jefferson (I think)

 

[bballcrazy]

Jefferson is much longer and quicker than Dangerfield, no comparison. She also was a much better high school player who carried her club team, had great court vision and made the other players around her better.

Dangerfield played on a stacked team, took bad shots and had too many turnovers for a PG, she will be difficult to hide on defense with bigger players in college.

 

[UCMiami]

She had by far the best A/TO ratio of anyone on the U19 team (4.75) scored well at a decent percentage, while being one of the three 2016 players on the team playing with 2015 and 2014 HS graduates (Cox and Slocum were the other two.)
Jefferson was great in HS but her competition was somewhat questionable - she was home schooled and played for a THESA team.

 

[linkster]

Jefferson is much longer and quicker than Dangerfield, no comparison. She also was a much better high school player who carried her club team, had great court vision and made the other players around her better.

Dangerfield played on a stacked team, took bad shots and had too many turnovers for a PG, she will be difficult to hide on defense with bigger players in college.

And yet Jefferson wasn't good enough to make the 2011 U-19 team as an incoming freshman while Dangerfield not only made it after her junior year in HS but also was the most effective pg on the team.

USA BB has Dangerfield listed at 5'6" and Jefferson at 5'7". And I think 5'7" is generous. Jefferson may be quicker but I'd hate to have to live on the difference. Looking at Jefferson today it's hard to remember that as a freshman she had holes in her game. I expect that Dangerfield, like Jefferson before her, will need to develop her game further but fortunately UConn will have other options as she adapts to the college game her freshman year.

 

[bballcrazy]

Jefferson is closer to 5' 7" and Dangerfield is closer to 5' 2" LOL. Big difference in length and anticipation skills, also setting team up and not looking for her own shot. The guards were lacking this year when USA basically left off Cooper. Everyone at try outs thought that was bogus.

I don't feel bad for you after seeing the canadian play as she will more than likely step right into Jeffersons role

 

[linkster]

Jefferson is closer to 5' 7" and Dangerfield is closer to 5' 2" LOL. Big difference in length and anticipation skills, also setting team up and not looking for her own shot. The guards were lacking this year when USA basically left off Cooper. Everyone at try outs thought that was bogus.

Not everyone. Certainly not the selection committee.

 

[bballcrazy]

Having known several members of selection committee members over the years, I know that what they choose and what is actually done are 2 different things. You are naive if you think otherwise.

 

[mcannon1]

Having known several members of selection committee members over the years, I know that what they choose and what is actually done are 2 different things. You are naive if you think otherwise.

Can you explain? Are you writing that the selection committee picks a team, and then someone or someones pick other people to officially be on the team? If so, who makes the changes?

 

[bballcrazy]

The committee picks a team and then picks other complimentary players that would fill out the other needed spots. They are what they recommend. That does not mean that all those players end up in the final 12. There is a lot more that goes into the final announcement and those decisions are not made by the committee.

Everyone I spoke to had the same impression as I did that Dangerfield would not have been in the final 12 or close to it. She put up a ton of missed shots and made bad decisions. As an example, the committee would not have seen Durr, so how could they put her in the final 12!

The other glaring observation was the special treatment given by both Staley and Walz to their own players and those they were recruiting. They were so obvious that the committee members were all very pissed off about the situation. Probably why some much information has been discussed.

 

[volcrazy89]

Dangerfield is good, but honestly not really a prototypical UConn-type player. Geno will have to get her turnovers under control. I, TBH, was surprised that she didn't have more TOs for USA Basketball, but kudos to her for getting them under control while playing for the team. And she has, in the past, been known to be somewhat of a chucker, both for her high school team and her club team. She's somewhere between Jefferson and Tyler Scaife/Kelsey Mitchell, comparison-wise, except she's smaller than all of them. For those that may not know, Scaife and Mitchell are known chuckers, but unlike Dangerfield, they went to schools that allow them to chuck at will. She won't be allowed to do as she pleases like Scaife does at Rutgers and Mitchell does at OSU.

With that being said, I really have no doubt Geno will knock those weaknesses out of her. Otherwise, she won't play.

 

[linkster]

The committee picks a team and then picks other complimentary players that would fill out the other needed spots. They are what they recommend. That does not mean that all those players end up in the final 12. There is a lot more that goes into the final announcement and those decisions are not made by the committee.

Everyone I spoke to had the same impression as I did that Dangerfield would not have been in the final 12 or close to it. She put up a ton of missed shots and made bad decisions. As an example, the committee would not have seen Durr, so how could they put her in the final 12!

The other glaring observation was the special treatment given by both Staley and Walz to their own players and those they were recruiting. They were so obvious that the committee members were all very pissed off about the situation. Probably why some much information has been discussed.

And yet there was no special treatment for Holly's players and her recruits? I would think that if what you say is valid then preference would also have been given to Cooper.

 

[Benionsopinion]

And yet there was no special treatment for Holly's players and her recruits? I would think that if what you say is valid then preference would also have been given to Cooper.

Linkster,just for your information,Te'a Cooper did not try out for the team that Holly helped coach.That would make your point meaningless in this instance.

 

[linkster]

Linkster,just for your information,Te'a Cooper did not try out for the team that Holly helped coach.That would make your point meaningless in this instance.

You are absolutely right. But I wasn't the one accusing USA basketball of playing favorites. I'd like to know exactly who was responsible for keeping Cooper off the team and why. I don't like posters making accusations against coaches and then not naming names and sources. Who felt there was favoritism? And what are their prejudices? There are people in AAU ball and among the media that favor certain programs and/or promote players who have gone through their system. They could just as easily be favoring Cooper.

And if favoritism was in play I would have expected that both Staley and Walz would have played Cox a lot more since at the time they were still both pursuing her. And yet she sat most of the tournament, with only Anigwe playing less, while Dangerfield, who had already verballed to a rival team saw lots of floor time.

These are some of the top coaches in the country who donate their time to USA basketball when they could be travelling the country recruiting or enjoying the limited free time they get all year. If one is going to impugn their motives and their integrity it should be backed up with more than vague references to "everyone I talked to".


When I look at who sits on the board of USA basketball I see lots of folks associated with the pro game and not many from the NCAA or AAU. Those people are interested in developing the national team and IMO they pick developmental teams with an eye toward who has the potential to play at that level in the future and also who has shown a commitment to USA ball over the years. I have no idea who is the better player between Cooper and Dangerfield but Dangerfield was on a USA roster as far back as 2013 while I don't see Cooper's name anywhere.

 

[Ladyvolfan4ever]

You are absolutely right. But I wasn't the one accusing USA basketball of playing favorites. I'd like to know exactly who was responsible for keeping Cooper off the team and why. I don't like posters making accusations against coaches and then not naming names and sources. Who felt there was favoritism? And what are their prejudices? There are people in AAU ball and among the media that favor certain programs and/or promote players who have gone through their system. They could just as easily be favoring Cooper.

And if favoritism was in play I would have expected that both Staley and Walz would have played Cox a lot more since at the time they were still both pursuing her. And yet she sat most of the tournament, with only Anigwe playing less, while Dangerfield, who had already verballed to a rival team saw lots of floor time.

These are some of the top coaches in the country who donate their time to USA basketball when they could be travelling the country recruiting or enjoying the limited free time they get all year. If one is going to impugn their motives and their integrity it should be backed up with more than vague references to "everyone I talked to".


When I look at who sits on the board of USA basketball I see lots of folks associated with the pro game and not many from the NCAA or AAU. Those people are interested in developing the national team and IMO they pick developmental teams with an eye toward who has the potential to play at that level in the future and also who has shown a commitment to USA ball over the years. I have no idea who is the better player between Cooper and Dangerfield but Dangerfield was on a USA roster as far back as 2013 while I don't see Cooper's name anywhere.

And after USA Cox removed USC from her list.

 

[bballcrazy]

For your information Uconner, Cooper was named to the U17 team, Dangerfield was not!

Second I don't answer to you, so keep dreaming.

The fact that there has been so much chatter about this year should raise red flags. The conflict of interest going on is rampant which can be easily seen when Davis and Gray ended up at South Carolina after try outs. Just because Cox didn't play doesn't mean that she wasn't favored and placed on the team over players like Mompremier, Brown, who did better at try outs than Cox. Didn't think they would play her as she below Holmes and Anigwe the year before. There were too many post players on the team, which is why the guard minutes were split as they were weak and inconstant. Moore playing basically the most minutes is also a joke. How about Walker not making the team who did well at U18s but chose North carolina over South Carolina hmmm, she did better than Moore thats for sure. You do remember Moore don't you who flagrantly hit a girl on nation TV!!!

Just waiting for more information to spill as I am sure it will.

 

[linkster]

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The fact that there has been so much chatter about this year should raise red flags.

The only place I've read much at all that the selections were biased is here.

The conflict of interest going on is rampant which can be easily seen when Davis and Gray ended up at South Carolina after try outs.

That's quite a leap. And it may be that they just saw their best interests in transferring to SC.

One could also say that DeShields was recovering from surgery, contributed nothing to the team and only got a free trip to Korea because Holly was a coach. I think that is also a huge leap and untrue. How many players over the years attended Pat's summer camps and then signed on with Tenn? Are we to assume there was illegal recruiting going on? Of course not, but a biased person might think that to be the case.

Just because Cox didn't play doesn't mean that she wasn't favored and placed on the team over players like Mompremier, Brown, who did better at try outs than Cox.

And were you at the tryouts? What is your basis for saying she was outplayed?

For your information Uconner, Cooper was named to the U17 team, Dangerfield was not!

I based that on seeing a USA all-time roster. I must have been looking at another list because I checked the U-17 list and Dangerfield wasn't on the team but I don't see Cooper listed either. Here's a link to the U17 all-time roster. USA Women's FIBA U17 World Championship Team All-Time Alphabetical Roster

 

[ChattyVolfan]

The only place I've read much at all that the selections were biased is here.



That's quite a leap. And it may be that they just saw their best interests in transferring to SC.

One could also say that DeShields was recovering from surgery, contributed nothing to the team and only got a free trip to Korea because Holly was a coach. I think that is also a huge leap and untrue. How many players over the years attended Pat's summer camps and then signed on with Tenn? Are we to assume there was illegal recruiting going on? Of course not, but a biased person might think that to be the case.



And were you at the tryouts? What is your basis for saying she was outplayed?



I based that on seeing a USA all-time roster. I must have been looking at another list because I checked the U-17 list and Dangerfield wasn't on the team but I don't see Cooper listed either. Here's a link to the U17 all-time roster. USA Women's FIBA U17 World Championship Team All-Time Alphabetical Roster

Linkster...not taking sides at all but Cooper did, indeed, make the U17 Team but had to give up her spot because she needed surgery (tonsillectomy). Just google Cooper and U17 team and you'll find articles stating she was on the team from Prospects Nation, among others.