ESPN Graphic Showed 9 NC for Bama

#26
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rjd970 said:
Yes. Personally, I count '51 and '98. The Neyland coached '38 team was good enough I would feel comfortable adding them to the list as well.

Like any reasonable fan should, instead of making all these ridiculous "14" T-Shirts or whatever you guys wear now. It's amazing you guys aren't borderline embarassed.

And saying we rationalize worse than you you guys is comical at best.
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One bad claim isn't quite the same as 3 (2 if you are comfortable with 1950). And most Bama fans agree with me on 1941.
 
#27
#27
I still don't understand how UT wasn't awarded a national title in '39 when we shutout every team we played in the regular season, we lost the bowl game to USC but the titles were awarded before bowl games then. Anyone have an explanation for this? I believe Texas A&M was awarded the national title that year.
 
#29
#29
bamawriter said:
Then you would also say that Tennessee has 2?
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To be honest, I have never researched it. I just recall that in the early 90s (I think), Tennessee was claiming four or five. And Bama had maybe one or two more that they claimed. Then suddenly, one winter, Bama changed the number that they were claiming....by a lot!

I think it started as a joke, and the bammer people are so dumb, they took it as the truth and ran with it.

Whatever...

Per the Jax_Vol polls, Tennessee has 34 national championships.
 
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bleedorange1983 said:
I still don't understand how UT wasn't awarded a national title in '39 when we shutout every team we played in the regular season, we lost the bowl game to USC but the titles were awarded before bowl games then. Anyone have an explanation for this? I believe Texas A&M was awarded the national title that year.
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yeah I agree UT did something no team has ever done before or after
 
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Jax_Vol said:
To be honest, I have never researched it. I just recall that in the early 90s (I think), Tennessee was claiming four or five. And Bama had maybe one or two more that they claimed. Then suddenly, one winter, Bama changed the number that they were claiming....by a lot!
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Our SID added claims to the media guide in the mid/late-80s. Prior to that, Bama had only claimed the 6 wire service titles.

BUT, it's important to note that schools like Notre Dame, Michigan, and Tennessee had been claiming non-consensus titles for quite a while. Bama simply joined that party. Knocking Bama for being late to do what Tennessee has always done is a tad hypocritical.
 
#36
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bleedorange1983 said:
I still don't understand how UT wasn't awarded a national title in '39 when we shutout every team we played in the regular season, we lost the bowl game to USC but the titles were awarded before bowl games then. Anyone have an explanation for this? I believe Texas A&M was awarded the national title that year.
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Texas A&M had a better resume. That's not to say that Tennessee wouldn't have deserved it had any significant selector named them NC.
 
#37
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strongtower said:
yeah I agree UT did something no team has ever done before or after
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Actually, the '39 Vols were simply the last team to go undefeated, untied and unscored upon. The '38 Duke team had done the same thing, albeit against a 9-game schedule. For a list of all previous teams who had completed regular seasons undefeated, untied and unscored upon, see p. 108 of http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2012/fbs.pdf . Teams that did not surrender a point are indicated by (.).
 
#38
#38
Volosaurus rex said:
Actually, the '39 Vols were simply the last team to go undefeated, untied and unscored upon. The '38 Duke team had done the same thing, albeit against a 9-game schedule. For a list of all previous teams who had completed regular seasons undefeated, untied and unscored upon, see p. 108 of http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/2012/fbs.pdf . Teams that did not surrender a point are indicated by (.).
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:good!: thanks for the info good read
 
#39
#39
bamawriter said:
Completely. 1941 is stupid, the rest are pretty much solid.

If you disagree, please break it down for me.
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'25, '26, and '30 Bama received the most poll decsions retroactively. '34 was actually the first time Bama finished 1st in a poll at that time, but not retroactively. Then how do you claim '30, as Notre Dame finished first in the polls that year, and is recognized by the NCAA? Seems to me, you either finish first the year it is claimed, or you claim based on the most retroactive polls. Not sure how you pick and choose the criteria and call it anywhere close to legitimate.

'41 was stupid, and the fact there is actually a ring is silly. '61, '64, '65 seems legit, every poll in the country named Notre Dame NC in '73, and the NCAA recognizes Bama and Notre Dame. '78, '79, '92, '09, '11 are all legit. There is an argument Bama shouldn't have even been playing for the title in '11, but its spurious at best.

bamawriter said:
Our SID added claims to the media guide in the mid/late-80s. Prior to that, Bama had only claimed the 6 wire service titles.

BUT, it's important to note that schools like Notre Dame, Michigan, and Tennessee had been claiming non-consensus titles for quite a while. Bama simply joined that party. Knocking Bama for being late to do what Tennessee has always done is a tad hypocritical.
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Really, since when? What is "quite a while".

btw, from the link posted in post #31:

Atcheson said that in the 1983 media guide, he added the five pre-Bryant national titles now listed -- 1925, 1926, 1930, 1934 and 1941. Taylor Watson, curator at the Bryant Museum in Tuscaloosa, said it was actually the 1986 media guide.

This much is certain: The 1982 media guide, the last for Bryant, lists 1934 as the only pre-Bryant national championship, adding it in a footnote of Alabama's SEC history. In the year-by-year results in the '82 media guide, only Bryant's six national titles were listed.
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You guys are the ones just making this crap up as you go.

And check out the bottom of the link, with pictures of all NC rings from 1992 prior. 1941 is right there, along with all the others claimed prior to consensus voting.
 
#40
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rjd970 said:
'25, '26, and '30 Bama received the most poll decsions retroactively. '34 was actually the first time Bama finished 1st in a poll at that time, but not retroactively. Then how do you claim '30, as Notre Dame finished first in the polls that year, and is recognized by the NCAA? Seems to me, you either finish first the year it is claimed, or you claim based on the most retroactive polls. Not sure how you pick and choose the criteria and call it anywhere close to legitimate.
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I'm not sure where you're seeing a conflict. At no point did Alabama say "we only count retroactive selectors," or "we only count contemporary selectors." Bama didn't "pick and choose" except to say "these selectors picked us in this year, and we agree." Bama considers the 1930 title to be split with Notre Dame.

every poll in the country named Notre Dame NC in '73,
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Bama was picked by the Coaches Poll.


Really, since when? What is "quite a while".
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Notre Dame and Michigan have claimed pre-wire titles for the better part of a century.

Maybe I'm wrong on Tennessee. Maybe you guys didn't claim your non-consensus titles until after Bama revised our claims in the 80s. Was there a point between 1951 and 1998 when Tennessee went from claiming 1 NC to 5? If you know the answer, I'd be interested to hear it.


You guys are the ones just making this crap up as you go.
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Again, that appears to be the pot calling the kettle black. At some point, Tennessee claimed non-consensus titles, just like Alabama.

And check out the bottom of the link, with pictures of all NC rings from 1992 prior. 1941 is right there, along with all the others claimed prior to consensus voting.
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Those rings were made after we began claiming the titles. They are about 25 years old. Many of the players who earned them were dead before the rings were distributed.
 
#41
#41
IMHO, all Bama fans can climb to the highest peak, jump off head first, and the world would be a much better place as a result.

As for you Bamawriter you dirty inbred sob, if I ever see you out eating at Applebee's with your trashy family I plan on punching your baby and/or small child square in the face.
 
#42
#42
Everyone started claiming more titles once Bama started claiming the Martha White, Golden Flake and Arm & Hammer titles.
 
#43
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Ernest Volmingway said:
IMHO, all Bama fans can climb to the highest peak, jump off head first, and the world would be a much better place as a result.

As for you Bamawriter you dirty inbred sob, if I ever see you out eating at Applebee's with your trashy family I plan on punching your baby and/or small child square in the face.
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Don't lie, you've been banned from every Applebee's within a 200 mile radius.
 
#46
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bamawriter said:
So Tennessee started claiming them after the mid-80s? I'm looking for some confirmation.
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Don't know. But everyone's title claims seem to have gone up after the Martha White, Golden Flake and Arm & Hammer reclamation project Bama undertook.
 
#50
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OrangeBalls said:
Don't know. But everyone's title claims seem to have gone up after the Martha White, Golden Flake and Arm & Hammer reclamation project Bama undertook.
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Not true. Michigan and ND claimed their pre-consensus titles long before Bama did. In fact, it's no secret that Bama chose to claim 5 more titles to wind up with more than Notre Dame, who were claiming 10 at the time.
 
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