ESPN Profit Plummets As Network Turns Left

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n_huffhines said:
You're talking about bending government rules and he's talking about ****ting all over a private, American company and then enjoying their services without paying for them.

One of these is not like the others.
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Much like a sin a is a sin, breaking a law, is well, breaking a law.

Justifying either is the same.
 
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How entitled is somebody who takes services from an unwilling partner and then bad mouths them?

God, I hear this **** all the time about entitled millennials. We hear this about college athletes who want to get paid for their talents. What is more entitled than this behavior?
 
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bamawriter said:
ESPN would still broadcast games if players got paid. That's not up to them. They don't pay pro players when the broadcast the NFL, MLB, etc.

While I firmly believe that the NCAA's model is wrong, it doesn't justify me stealing from the conferences and their media partners. This is not some moral quandry like a starving man stealing bread. If I don't like the politics of the owner of my local hardware store, or I think he's mistreating his employees, it wouldn't mean it's okay for me to go in there and steal hammers.
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So ESPN is clean.
 
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n_huffhines said:
ESPN? Really? So you are for paying the players then?

ESPN pays out the ass for the broadcast rights. It's not on them to pay the Universities' employees.
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Yes I am for paying people for a service performed.

Espn is happily complicit in this model.
 
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allvol123 said:
Unless you stop repeating the traffic violations, you are telling yourself it is ok.
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Not really. I rarely intend to speed or run a red. It happens. I doubt that anyone unknowingly pirates a broadcast.

But it's a lousy comparison anyway, because speed limits are arbitrary regulations. Is it immoral to speed? If stealing were legal, would it be moral?
 
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bamawriter said:
Not really. I rarely intend to speed or run a red. It happens. I doubt that anyone unknowingly pirates a broadcast.

But it's a lousy comparison anyway, because speed limits are arbitrary regulations. Is it immoral to speed? If stealing were legal, would it be moral?
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Bama does have a good gymnastics team.
 
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bamawriter said:
So it's not stealing, it's copyright infringement. And copyright inringement is stealing intellectual property. So, are you saying that kind of theft is okay?
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No its not stealing just like your web browser is copying the my content you just read, stores it on your computer than renders said html/text/other into a readable format... without my express permission. If I view something on the interwebs, no its not stealing and no its not theft. Anyone can view LSU's last game... the whole thing is on youtube right now. LOL

Matter of fact, no theft could take place as in reality we are talking 0s and 1s, and at the most is duplicate copy via streaming. There is nothing illegal, generally as it pertains to streaming for the end user... end of story.
 
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bamawriter said:
Not really. I rarely intend to speed or run a red. It happens. I doubt that anyone unknowingly pirates a broadcast.

But it's a lousy comparison anyway, because speed limits are arbitrary regulations. Is it immoral to speed? If stealing were legal, would it be moral?
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You make a great point between laws and morality.

Speed limits are there as a preventive measure against bad things happening. There is nothing inherently immoral about driving 70 mph on the freeway. However, killing someone because you were out of control of your vehicle is no bueno.

Stealing is inherently immoral (given an objective moral standard).

Not a good comparison.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
No its not stealing just like your web browser is copying the my content you just read, stores it on your computer than renders said html/text/other into a readable format... without my express permission.
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Actually, you gave your express permission by signing up for this forum and then posting in it. You don't own anything you post on here. Barring some deeper ownership structure, Freak owns this site and everything on it.

If I view something on the interwebs, no its not stealing and no its not theft. Anyone can view LSU's last game... the whole thing is on youtube right now. LOL
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Any game that is on Youtube without the permission of the conference and the broadcaster is on there illegally.

Matter of fact, no theft could take place as in reality we are talking 0s and 1s, and at the most is duplicate copy via streaming.
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Copying, whether by streaming or any other method, is copyright infringement. It is the theft of another's intellectual property. It's why you see that copyright disclaimer during every single sports broadcast.

There is nothing illegal, generally as it pertains to streaming for the end user... end of story.
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Literally everything you posted is factually incorrect. But, as you said, "end of story."
 
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bamawriter said:
Actually, you gave your express permission by signing up for this forum and then posting in it. You don't own anything you post on here. Barring some deeper ownership structure, Freak owns this site and everything on it.
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So, if I post a LSU game on the site, he owns it? NO! He doesn't own it. LOL Under your strange theory, you copy everything on this site to your computer through a browser is illegal... no its not, generally all of it is not prohibited under law.... and if one is overseas probably even more so... as the stupid statute laws don't eve apply. LOL Furthermore, if content is on the intertubes its up to the rights owner to remove it... certainly isn't my problem.

Any game that is on Youtube without the permission of the conference and the broadcaster is on there illegally.
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No, most these of things haven't even been adjudicated in a court law... is an injunction to remove videos possible sure, so.... very rare.. but that is between two other parties. There is also free use as well, many broadcaster overseas are not subject to U.S. law... people viewing the streams are not doing anything wrong for sure.

Copying, whether by streaming or any other method, is copyright infringement. It is the theft of another's intellectual property. It's why you see that copyright disclaimer during every single sports broadcast.
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First, you post is a generalization, and depends on many factors.... no its not theft... theft requires a stolen item.. nothing has been stolen. Even as a common English term... nothing has been stolen.

Literally everything you posted is factually incorrect. But, as you said, "end of story."
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Everything you are saying is factually incorrect, there is nothing wrong at all generally from viewing videos being streamed on the intertubes.

Go call the police, go call the SEC/NCAA, go call your little Hobbit, go call the FBI... file a complaint that people are streaming videos and see what happens. Matter of fact, just point them to youtube at probably 100s of million of video which would fit your stupid theory.

Is it stealing or theft to view a stream that someone has broadcasted? Generally, NO! Nothing has been nor taken.

Is it immoral to view streamed video broadcasted? Not in my opinion, it certainly isn't theft. Matter of fact, most of the stuff on the internet nobody has given anyone express rights to view or copy... yet huge amount of data are copied every second.

If you don't believe me feel free and you can go down to local DA office and they will laugh you right out of the building with your stupid theory.

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Orange_Crush said:
You are stealing product that they make $$$ off of and that should cost you $$$. Therefore, you are making money off of it.
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Nobody has given you expressed right on download almost everything that goes in your browser, under that general strange theory you would owe a lot of people money.

A viewer has no responsibility to anyone for anything, generally. You have no obligation to do anything for them.

There is no stealing involved, which is why if you go to the local DA they will laugh you out of the room, or maybe they will be nicer and what till you leave.
 
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