Espn Top 25 College Players Of All Time

#28
#28
I do not know if he will be. What I do know is that Woodson should not have been.
 
#32
#32
tvolsfan said:
Manning was another QB with big numbers. Woodson led his team to the national title by shutting down half the field and making big plays.
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i agree in full, Manning found greatness on Sundays, Woodson found it on Saturdays.
 
#35
#35
Try to find stats for number of touchdowns he gave up to the receiver he was guarding. Or even the number of passing touchdowns to his side of the field.

I'm not expecting you to be able to find a stat like that, but you can bet it wasn't very high.
 
#36
#36
tvolsfan said:
Manning was another QB with big numbers. Woodson led his team to the national title by shutting down half the field and making big plays.
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Not really. He really helped them beat Ohio State. There were other guys that contributed more to the season, overall. Nebraska would have beaten the pants off of them, anyway.
 
#37
#37
Given Michigan's bowl record lately, I would agree. As for the season in general, I doubt anyone was really more valuable. I'm not sure if you can find numbers for the receivers he was guarding, but he definitely was a great cornerback.
 
#38
#38
tvolsfan said:
Given Michigan's bowl record lately, I would agree. As for the season in general, I doubt anyone was really more valuable. I'm not sure if you can find numbers for the receivers he was guarding, but he definitely was a great cornerback.
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I don't think anyone is going to argue that he wasn't a great DB. However, when you compare him to Deion, I don't think it's really close. I'm not even sure Woodson is the best DB ever from Michigan.
 
#39
#39
DOCTORLOOMIS said:
I just found this link....he had 42 tackles and 7int's on defense...and on offense he had a staggering 231 receiving yards. I completely agree with you now...those are definitely the stats of the 11th greatest player in college football history. I dont know what I was thinking.

CNN/SI - College Football - Heisman Watch - Charles Woodson
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For the season, Woodson was in on 765 plays: 613 on defense, 69 on offense, and 83 on special teams
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did you read that, how about

He returned a punt 78 yards for a touchdown and he stopped a fourth quarter OSU scoring threat by intercepting a pass in the end zone.
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in reference to the season ending win against OSU that vaulted Michigan to the Rose Bowl and a share of the NC. If you watched that game, which I did, Woodson's play won Michigan the game, period.

Also, in the case of a great corner, which he was, you cannot always expect gawdy interception numbers, as they will tend to cover their receiver well enough that the quarterback will not throw towards him, or in other words "shut-down" the receiver. But you knew that right?
 
#40
#40
From the 1997 season, I remember watching Michigan and Ohio State, and how my dad was screaming about how David Boston couldn't get open against Woodson, although Boston did eventually get one.
 
#41
#41
I have always been a hater of the Big 10, but especially Michigan, so that year I wanted Woodson to fail more than anything, and he certainly didn't. Anyways, yeah I remember that fairly well, Boston was one of the better receivers in the country that year, and Woodson made him look like a little girl.
 
#43
#43
DOCTORLOOMIS said:
Emainvol...do you honestly think he deserved the Heisman trophy?
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Considering the competition that year, I can see why he won it. I don't necessarily like giving the Heisman to a defensive player, but he made a pretty strong case for being the best player in the country. So in that regard, yes I guess I do.

I certainly don't know who deserved it more, maybe Randy Moss, neither of the Quarterbacks though.
 
#44
#44
emainvol said:
Considering the competition that year, I can see why he won it. I don't necessarily like giving the Heisman to a defensive player, but he made a pretty strong case for being the best player in the country. So in that regard, yes I guess I do.
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I feel like if you look at Manning's numbers and record versus some of the other QBs that have won it, it does seem like he got the shaft. It really doesn't matter, though. The award seems to have lost a lot of luster since then. Also, Peyton has done just fine, anyway.
 
#45
#45
kptvol said:
I feel like if you look at Manning's numbers and record versus some of the other QBs that have won it, it does seem like he got the shaft. It really doesn't matter, though. The award seems to have lost a lot of luster since then. Also, Peyton has done just fine, anyway.
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It tends to go to the best player on the best team. Had Manning beat Florida that year he would have won it and we wouldn't be talking about it. Woodson was certainly the best player on a team that shared the NC, so like I said, I can see why he won it.

Heck, if we had smoked Auburn in the SEC title game Manning probably would have won it too.
 
#47
#47
kptvol said:
It doesn't tend to -it does. That's exactly why the award isn't as meaningful anymore.
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Well, I say tends because of players like Ron Dayne and Ricky Williams. But I agree with you, it isn't really a meaningful award anymore.
 
#48
#48
tvolsfan said:
From the 1997 season, I remember watching Michigan and Ohio State, and how my dad was screaming about how David Boston couldn't get open against Woodson, although Boston did eventually get one.
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Impressive that a guru like you has to derive your opinion from what your father was yelling about a decade ago. Woodson wasn't a particularly great college cornerback. Manning lost the Hypesman out of voter boredom more than anything else.
 
#49
#49
Vercingetorix said:
Impressive that a guru like you has to derive your opinion from what your father was yelling about a decade ago. Woodson wasn't a particularly great college cornerback. Manning lost the Hypesman out of voter boredom more than anything else.
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Right, right... Is that what they told you?
 
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