EVALUATING FULMER

[holdemvol]

Originally posted by U-T@Nov 18, 2005 7:04 PM
Go figure

3 East Titles in the last 4 years and nothing to show for it.

WOW....  :dunno:

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How many NC's? He is a good coach and has done well while FLA and UT have been down but again, let's see his 14 year record.

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by holdemvol@Nov 18, 2005 6:10 PM
let's see his 14 year record.

Who the hell cares about a 14-year record?

You said he hasn't done much. He has won the East 3 times in the last 4 years....and been coaching for 5 damn years now.

That is something whether your bias sees it or not. To say that isn't is a slap in the face to the SEC and any argument you ever make towards another about the SEC East being good whatsoever.

In addition, anyone else tired of the lame "UT and UF are down"

That worked when Spurrier left...now it is just old....either UT/UF become elite again or stop using it since 2002.

Richt has sent ridiculous talent to the NFL and has beat our ass every time but once.

 

[bleedingorange]

k:

Originally posted by U-T@Nov 18, 2005 7:15 PM
Who the hell cares about a 14-year record?

You said he hasn't done much. He has won the East 3 times in the last 4 years....and been coaching for 5 damn years now.

That is something whether your bias sees it or not. To say that isn't is a slap in the face to the SEC and any argument you ever make towards another about the SEC East being good whatsoever.

In addition, anyone else tired of the lame "UT and UF are down"

That worked when Spurrier left...now it is just old....either UT/UF become elite again or stop using it since 2002.

Richt has sent ridiculous talent to the NFL and has beat our ass every time but once.

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[golf437]

There is not a coach alive that can win thirteen every year for Tenn.We are going to win some we should have lost. We are going to lose some we should have won. No matter who coaches there will be no instant gratification. Are we going to fire the coaches every year.

We do need a more motivated team and maybe Fulmer cannot do that.

 

[holdemvol]

Originally posted by U-T@Nov 18, 2005 7:15 PM
Who the hell cares about a 14-year record?

You said he hasn't done much. He has won the East 3 times in the last 4 years....and been coaching for 5 damn years now.

That is something whether your bias sees it or not. To say that isn't is a slap in the face to the SEC and any argument you ever make towards another about the SEC East being good whatsoever.

In addition, anyone else tired of the lame "UT and UF are down"

That worked when Spurrier left...now it is just old....either UT/UF become elite again or stop using it since 2002.

Richt has sent ridiculous talent to the NFL and has beat our ass every time but once.

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If you read my previous posts, the point was that Everyone wants to base the fire Fulmer argument on his last 5 seasons, so if we are going to make comparisons let's take into account the time on the job and the runs Fulmer has made. You would not agree that UT and FLA have been down the last couple of years? I am not trying to take anything away from Richt, he is a good coach, my point was that Fulmer has done more to this point. If I would have known the Richt comment would have upset you so much I would have left it out, I didn't realize you were on his nuts. As for the NFL remark, UT sends plenty of talent to the NFL and gets blasted by "fans" for not winning another NC, so why doesn't the same hold true for GA fans like yourself?

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by holdemvol@Nov 18, 2005 6:25 PM
If I would have known the Richt comment would have upset you so much

Didn't upset me at all.

Just pointing out facts that you seemed to miss

so why doesn't the same hold true for GA fans like yourself?

Please don't call me a UGA fan for pointing out your stupidity.

Thanks for listening,
U-T

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[Bama Reb]

Originally posted by Liper@Nov 18, 2005 5:07 PM
9-4 or 10-3 are not special seasons.  However, everything hinges on the games themselves and who we lose to and who we beat .....

2000 BAMA wins are not key wins when they are .500 or below....

No, but if that's as good as it gets.....

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Good points. True, Bama was not having a good year in 2000. We also were ranked #3 in preseason polls during that season, as UT was this year, but finished the year 3-8. As with UT's win over Bama in 2000, Bama's win over UT this year was ridiculed by some as being "insignificant". My, my. What a difference a few wins and losses can do to a teams outward appearance.

But while mentioning UT's victories over UA in other years, it's also interesting to note that those who claim to hate the Crimson Tide with a passion also use them as a comparison when measuring their own teams progress, or lack thereof.
It would seem that a certain level of intrinisic respect goes hand in hand with an exstrinsic claim of disdain.
:hi: :shades:

 

[VolsWinRLose]

I don't want to fire Fulmer based on his W-L record; in fact, I don't want to fire him at all YET. The next couple of years may tell a different story either way.

My problem is that he continues to ignore issues in his staff and on the team that are hurting what we put on the field.

No, a 10-win season isn't a bad thing. A poor season once in a while isn't a bad thing. But those stats aren't the ones that concern me. What bothers me is his apparent willingness (and that of many posters on this site) to accept an error-riddled 10-win season as a good thing. No, we can't win a NC or even the SECC every year, but we can damn sure put ourselves in a position to do it. If preventable faults continue to keep us out of the running, it's something that we should all be mad as hell about.

 

[JasonCajun]

Originally posted by holdemvol@Nov 18, 2005 7:25 PM
If you read my previous posts, the point was that Everyone wants to base the fire Fulmer argument on his last 5 seasons, so if we are going to make comparisons let's take into account the time on the job and the runs Fulmer has made.  You would not agree that UT and FLA have been down the last couple of years?  I am not trying to take anything away from Richt, he is a good coach, my point was that Fulmer has done more to this point.  If I would have known the Richt comment would have upset you so much I would have left it out, I didn't realize you were on his nuts.  As for the NFL remark, UT sends plenty of talent to the NFL and gets blasted by "fans" for not winning another NC, so why doesn't the same hold true for GA fans like yourself?

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What the heck is Richt's record against Fulmer? If you cannot see that these two programs are going in opposite directions, then you have your head stuck in the sand.

And it took Fulmer 6 years to win a NC, and he had inherited a much better program than Richt inherited.

I think the point about the NFL talent was made because Richt lost a lot of people to the NFL this past year and he still beats Fulmer who has a senior laden team.

 

[JasonCajun]

Originally posted by golf437@Nov 18, 2005 7:18 PM
There is not a coach alive that can win thirteen every year for Tenn.We are going to win some we should have lost. We are going to lose some we should have won. No matter who coaches there will be no instant gratification. Are we going to fire the coaches every year.

  We do need a more motivated team and maybe Fulmer cannot do that.

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People aren't asking for a team to win the NC every year,13 games, or the SEC every year. Winning the SEC once every 4 years is realistic however, considering the tradition and resources that this university has.

What has people ticked off is, this is not a rebuilding year. We haven't won squat since 98. We haven't been to a major bowl game in forever. This type of year would be acceptable if it were a rebuilding year, or if it were not indicative of problems that have been plaguing this coaching staff and program for a long time. An OC change has been made. But are there going to be changes to the discipline, the practice habits, and offensive philosophy?

 

[jakez4ut]

WHO ARE YOU GOING TO GET THAT COULD DO BETTER OVER THE NEXT 14 YEARS!!!!???

1. ANYBODY THAT TEACHES DISCIPLINE
2. ANYBODY THAT MOTIVATES PLAYERS
3. ANYBODY THAT WILL SIT PLAYERS ASSES ON THE BENCH WHEN THEY CONTINUE TO SCREW UP
4. ANYBODY THAT WILL TEACH XS AND OS
5. ANYBODY THAT WILL DEVELOP PLAYERS
6. I GUESS I JUST DEFINED WHAT A COLLEGE FOOTBALL COACH IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
7. I GUESS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ANYBODY OTHER THAN WHAT WE GOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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Who is that person? and as to what college football coaches are supposed to do, i guess winning the SEC back to back and throw in a NC that's just not good enough, huh?

you guys are nuts. And i'm not even saying THAT FULMER IS THAT DAMN GOOD ANYWAY. But good greif...you'd think we'd had 4 or 5 losing recrods in row.

Show me a team that's perfect? Hell, even mighty USC is being questioned everyweek because of so called defensive struggles...guess Petey should be fired cause the D just isn't up to snuff...

And when i say who is that person....If Fulmer were gone tomorrow...who's on your short list of folks that are AVAILABLE that could do better...?

someone already mentioned butch davis...who else...i think someone even said lou holtz. yeah right.

 

[holdemvol]

Originally posted by JasonCajun@Nov 19, 2005 10:05 AM
What the heck is Richt's record against Fulmer? If you cannot see that these two programs are going in opposite directions, then you have your head stuck in the sand.

And it took Fulmer 6 years to win a NC, and he had inherited a much better program than Richt inherited.

I think the point about the NFL talent was made because Richt lost a lot of people to the NFL this past year and he still beats Fulmer who has a senior laden team.

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I don't know how many times I have to say that Richt is a good coach, I never said he was not. He has done good things while at GA and yes, he has pretty much owned Fulmer. Again, my POINT was that he has not been around long enough to make a fair comparison to Fulmer. Fulmer's first 5-6 years were more successful than Richt's so if we are going to make comparisons let's either compare the first 5 or 6 seasons or wait until Richt has had 10+ years at GA and make the comparison. I am not any more happy with the current trend in the program than anyone else, and if the trend continues for another 2 years then Fulmer should be replaced in my opinion. He has, however been very successful While coaching this team and he deserves a couple more years. The staff is being overhauled after the season according to most reports and I believe this thing will get turned around in a hurry. If not Fulmer should go. Richt is a fine coach, he may be better than Fulmer but that cannot be determined until Richt has proven he can do it over the long haul. As for NFL talent, yes he lost a lot and still beat Fulmer, but that is not saying alot considering 4 other teams have done the same. With all the talent he had last year, GA still didn't win the east yet he seems to be some kind of coaching god to some of you.

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by holdemvol@Nov 19, 2005 10:11 AM
Fulmer's first 5-6 years were more successful than Richt's so if we are going to make comparisons let's either compare the first 5 or 6 seasons

Fulmer's first 5 years
9-3
9-2-1
8-3
11-1
10-2

Richt's first 5 years
8-4
13-1 - SEC Champ
11-3 - East Champ
10-2
9-2 - East Champ/SEC Champ?

So let us review...Richt has won the East 3 times and an SEC Championship in his first 5 years while Fulmer won the East 0 times and neither an SEC Title.

How is this better again?

Richt is a fine coach, he may be better than Fulmer but that cannot be determined until Richt has proven he can do it over the long haul.

Who the hell is saying Richt has done better then Fulmer in the long haul? :stop:

I am very content with Fulmer and even love mocking those who want everyone fired.

I am just laughing at your responses to Richt.

I mean, is that the best response you had to me pointing out that winning the East 3 times in your first 5 years of coaching is in fact something? :dance2: :dance2: :dance2: :dance2:

With all the talent he had last year, GA still didn't win the east yet he seems to be some kind of coaching god to some of you.

You're right. He didn't win it last year....just the two previous years and the season after.

Brillant argument. Just brillant.