Evaluating Martin's recruiting

#251
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GoobieVol said:
The second part of your third sentence X 100

Other than that gathering dust release, he has shown an upside. Only the pouty, like to argue, only happy when I'm bit&$'n crowd thinks Reese or Chievous are busts.
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They aren't busts because they were NEVER supposed to be good. These aren't good prospects. Bragging that Davis and Thompson are ranked 188 and 190 is laughable. There have been 2 5 star guys and nothing else. Josh Richardson has lived up his average ranking. None of the others were ever supposed to be good. This isn't good recruiting. It is pitiful.
 
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BOP said:
They aren't busts because they were NEVER supposed to be good. These aren't good prospects. Bragging that Davis and Thompson are ranked 188 and 190 is laughable. There have been 2 5 star guys and nothing else. Josh Richardson has lived up his average ranking. None of the others were ever supposed to be good. This isn't good recruiting. It is pitiful.
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TY BOP. Your right on time.
 
#253
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BOP said:
They aren't busts because they were NEVER supposed to be good. These aren't good prospects. Bragging that Davis and Thompson are ranked 188 and 190 is laughable. There have been 2 5 star guys and nothing else. Josh Richardson has lived up his average ranking. None of the others were ever supposed to be good. This isn't good recruiting. It is pitiful.
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Then why don't you just be a UK fan since you're all about stars. They have 6 all Americans I bet they have a huge bandwagon you can jump on.
 
#256
#256
You would have to be trolling to pretend this is good recruiting....

Quinton Cheivous
Yemi Mackanjuelo
Dwight Miller
Josh Richardon
Wes Washpun
D'montre Edwards
Derek Reese
Jarnell Stokes
AJ Davis
Robert Hubbs
Travon Landry
Darius Thompson


Let's take a closer look...

Star potential:

Jarnell Stokes
Robert Hubbs

Borderline starters:

Josh Richardson
Armani Moore
AJ Davis

Non Starters Possible Role Players:

Darius Thompson

Complete non-factors:

Cheivous
Mackenjuela
Miller
Washpun
Edwards
Reece
Landry
 
#258
#258
calban said:
I'm the only one around here that defends Reese.
Kid has plenty of potential as a role player.
Should never have played this season, but Martin had to burn his red shirt until McBee and McRae got their heads out of their a$$es and started playing basketball.
The kid lost 15 pounds of muscle because of his injury.
Wasn't strong enough to see the floor.
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Reese has some potential. Probably would see more playing time at a lower level school, but could work out as a spot shooter/backup stretch 4 in the SEC. As for losing 15 pounds of muscle, don't see how that's possible as he's always been ultra thin. Maybe he put on 15 pounds of muscle between RTL and the Italy trip, then lost it after the injury.
 
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germanicus said:
Reese has some potential. Probably would see more playing time at a lower level school, but could work out as a spot shooter/backup stretch 4 in the SEC. As for losing 15 pounds of muscle, don't see how that's possible as he's always been ultra thin. Maybe he put on 15 pounds of muscle between RTL and the Italy trip, then lost it after the injury.
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Like I said, from Randy Moore:

"I think I'm playing really well — coming off the injury and the surgery and stuff," the 6-foot-8, 208-pound Reese said this week. "I'm contributing a lot to the team. I just want to keep working hard, keep getting better."

Because he lost 15 pounds and considerable muscle tone while rehabilitating his shoulder injury, Reese gets pushed around a bit under the backboards these days. He's determined to fix that as quickly as possible.


"I'm just getting in the weight room — gaining more weight, gaining more strength," he said.

Because he missed a lot of practice during his four-month recovery period, his skills atrophied along with his muscles. He's doing his best to get back on top of his game.

"I'm working to tighten everything up — my shooting, my ballhandling," Reese said. "I don't want to focus on one thing. I want to work on everything."
 
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#260
Okay. Randy's a good guy, I'm not sure how tuned in he is to stuff like that. I suspect he just runs with what the kids say.

Undoubtedly four months off hurt Reese, but truth is he looked a lot like his high school form in his minutes with Tennessee. Worth keeping around another year to see how he develops, but likely to be recruited over soon.

calban said:
Like I said, from Randy Moore:

"I think I'm playing really well — coming off the injury and the surgery and stuff," the 6-foot-8, 208-pound Reese said this week. "I'm contributing a lot to the team. I just want to keep working hard, keep getting better."

Because he lost 15 pounds and considerable muscle tone while rehabilitating his shoulder injury, Reese gets pushed around a bit under the backboards these days. He's determined to fix that as quickly as possible.


"I'm just getting in the weight room — gaining more weight, gaining more strength," he said.

Because he missed a lot of practice during his four-month recovery period, his skills atrophied along with his muscles. He's doing his best to get back on top of his game.

"I'm working to tighten everything up — my shooting, my ballhandling," Reese said. "I don't want to focus on one thing. I want to work on everything."
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#263
#263
SJAVol32 said:
Trust me you'll understand when you come across the guys that just want to argue and be different just because.
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I just dont talk to someone that I dont want to talk too but I read everything said. As for the BOP guy, I dont agree with everything said but I also feel that recruiting has been sub par but a little better this yr with better potential from these incoming players.
 
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Lankykong said:
I would have said McRae had 0 upside after his freshman year a few years ago. Freshmen don't show their full potential.
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You thought Mcrae had no potential.....Did you ever watch him play.....He had tons of talent, he just had to figure out how to utilize it in a team setting.
 
#265
#265
volbeast33 said:
I just dont talk to someone that I dont want to talk too but I read everything said. As for the BOP guy, I dont agree with everything said but I also feel that recruiting has been sub par but a little better this yr with better potential from these incoming players.
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That's just it though. After the mess that we were in Martin scrambled to put together a class okay whatever toss that out. Last years class with Reese aren't stars no but they are pieces of the team that you need. If Martin can't land another prospect like Hubbs "stars" wise then I will worry. We aren't UK or anything of the sort we can't pitch championships or first round players. He can only teach potiential and belief that he will develop the players. I want multiple 5 star players too but I know realistically that won't start happening until we continue to win and put players in the league.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
That's just it though. After the mess that we were in Martin scrambled to put together a class okay whatever toss that out. Last years class with Reese aren't stars no but they are pieces of the team that you need. If Martin can't land another prospect like Hubbs "stars" wise then I will worry. We aren't UK or anything of the sort we can't pitch championships or first round players. He can only teach potiential and belief that he will develop the players. I want multiple 5 star players too but I know realistically that won't start happening until we continue to win and put players in the league.
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How about 4 stars?
 
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BOP said:
You would have to be trolling to pretend this is good recruiting....

Quinton Cheivous
Yemi Mackanjuelo
Dwight Miller
Josh Richardon
Wes Washpun
D'montre Edwards
Derek Reese
Jarnell Stokes
AJ Davis
Robert Hubbs
Travon Landry
Darius Thompson


Let's take a closer look...

Star potential:

Jarnell Stokes
Robert Hubbs

Borderline starters:

Josh Richardson
Armani Moore
AJ Davis

Non Starters Possible Role Players:

Darius Thompson

Complete non-factors:

Cheivous
Mackenjuela
Miller
Washpun
Edwards
Reece
Landry
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I don't necessarily disagree with your overall point, but the "non-factors" list is only true through this point in each player's career. It's unfair to label the underclassmen on that list as career non-factors at this point. They each have five years to play four. Let's see how they develop. Unless you're KY, you count on player development over the course of several seasons to put together winning rosters, even if fringe-type recruits only become role players in their peak. Lots of inexperienced potential in that list.
 
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volbeast33 said:
You thought Mcrae had no potential.....Did you ever watch him play.....He had tons of talent, he just had to figure out how to utilize it in a team setting.
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Yeah, he does have talent, but until this year, very few thought that he would ever figure it out, and a talented player who never figures it out is as unhelpful as the players BOP is talking about (probably less helpful than Chievous).

I remember people (probably on here) saying the talent McRae showed in the Rocky Top League was just because of poor competition and he didn't really have it in him, he was overhyped coming out of high school, scouts need to reevaluate how they assign stars, etc. Actually, I never thought he would figure it out either, at least not as well as he has.

Plus...like no one watched him play his freshman year, and the times he did, he was pretty bad. He was on the bench like the entire year. Chievous (maybe even Reese) played better than McRae at this point in their career, though I agree they have a lower ceiling (though Reese's is kind of unknown).
 
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It makes me sad how bad you guys think these recruits are. Am I the only one who sees HUGE potential with Armani Moore and Quinton Chievous?

Let's take a look, when we changed our starting line up from Kenny Hall to Armani Moore we went on that 6 game run, his defensive presence is helpful, Moore's offensive game is a bit raw but he was trying his hardest to drive in every chance he got and a lot of the time he got us second chance points. Not to mention, that he really is a SG when Cuonzo recruited him as a PG who can hardly handle the ball.

Quinton Chievous plays hard for the lack of his size, he's a lot 'bigger' than guys think. Though he only optimized with a 10 point game, Q has proven he can shoot the ball on the 3, his averages aren't bad at all considering he's still a freshmen. He grabs quite a few rebounds per game and was very important in the win vs Missouri.

D'montre Edwards isn't a hard worker, he has the given athleticism, size and build but does not put it together on the practice court.

Yemi Makanjoula - I think Yemi will be a solid contributor towards his senior year, he's a rebounding machine!

Been trying to find more time to post things like this :p maybe I'll end up making a new thread when this place gets dead over the summer.
 
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Lankykong said:
Yeah, he does have talent, but until this year, very few thought that he would ever figure it out, and a talented player who never figures it out is as unhelpful as the players BOP is talking about (probably less helpful than Chievous).

I remember people (probably on here) saying the talent McRae showed in the Rocky Top League was just because of poor competition and he didn't really have it in him, he was overhyped coming out of high school, scouts need to reevaluate how they assign stars, etc. Actually, I never thought he would figure it out either, at least not as well as he has.

Plus...like no one watched him play his freshman year, and the times he did, he was pretty bad. He was on the bench like the entire year. Chievous (maybe even Reese) played better than McRae at this point in their career, though I agree they have a lower ceiling (though Reese's is kind of unknown).
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That is your problem, you probably shouldn't listen to fans on a message board. Most rarely know what they are talking about. McRae displayed a ton of talent......sometimes guys never figure out how to utilize it in a college team setting but at least he displayed elite talent. His second yr although far from great, he did avg almost 9 a game.... The reason why fans were so down on him is bc a lot was expected from McRae.....it's also the reason fans claim Chievous and the others show potential.....bc absolutely nothing was expected from them.
 
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