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#101
#101
BigPapaVol said:
In the end, you and I come back to the same position, whether you want to admit it or not. You simply don't know and to pretend that my I don't know is any different is absurdity.
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So you do or don't believe God created everything? From what I have gathered, your posts indicate the answer to this question is you do believe it, not "I don't know".

BPV:
Is there something that makes the Christian belief exclusive of all others, besides those who choose to believe it that way?

does anyone legitimately know that answer?
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Volinbham:
Personally, I don't think Heaven is only reserved for Christians but I don't want to derail this thread.
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You all can can start with John 14:6 for a good idea of who gets what after they die -
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Pretty clear cut to me, but I am sure this can be parsed somehow by you guys to include everybody.
 
#102
#102
joevol320 said:
so don't steal, don't kill, don't lie, honor your parents, don't covet.

what happens if you covet? will you be disqualified? or can you covet 2 times? how many times can you covet? or how many time can you not honor your parents?

i'm just trying to establish the standard is to get into heaven if you don't believe in asking God for forgivness.
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You may be confusing me with someone else? I believe you can ask for forgiveness but you have to make amends.
 
#103
#103
rjd970 said:
So you do or don't believe God created everything? From what I have gathered, your posts indicate the answer to this question is you do believe it, not "I don't know".





You all can can start with John 14:6 for a good idea of who gets what after they die -
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Pretty clear cut to me, but I am sure this can be parsed somehow by you guys to include everybody.
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People cut by it on a daily basis.......

Don't know why that is surprising.
 
#104
#104
joevol320 said:
so the individual person determines if he's good enough to get into heaven.

so what if person A thinks it is bad to look at porn. person B thinks it's ok to look at some porn.

with everthing else being equal, who will get into heaven? will both people get into heaven?
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Is either hurting anyone?
 
#105
#105
joevol320 said:
so the individual person determines if he's good enough to get into heaven.

so what if person A thinks it is bad to look at porn. person B thinks it's ok to look at some porn.

with everthing else being equal, who will get into heaven? will both people get into heaven?
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Who says heaven even exists?
 
#108
#108
OrangeEmpire said:
People cut by it on a daily basis.......

Don't know why that is surprising.
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That doesn't mean it makes sense given what people profess they believe. It right there, straight from Jesus himself. The only way to get to heaven is through him.
 
#109
#109
KB5252 said:
Joevol what would happen to those people over the ages that never had the opportunity to be exposed to the Bible or to Christian philosophies? What if they had lived a good life and been everything that was asked of a Christian but never knew God. Would a just God be just if he excluded such a man from heaven?

Just something to think about!
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if God did that then he would be contradicting himself. he said that every human is born with a sinful nature and is destined to die a sinner if he doesn't become a Christian. i've heard theories that there are different levels of hell, but i don't think the bible mentions it. that is why God told christians to go witness to the ends of the earth.
 
#111
#111
rjd970 said:
That doesn't mean it makes sense given what people profess they believe. It right there, straight from Jesus himself. The only way to get to heaven is through him.
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Right, and people skirt the issue on a daily basis.

:eek:k:

People believe/don't believe in eternal security...

People believe/don't believe the act of baptism saves you....

:dunno:

 
#113
#113
rjd970 said:
That doesn't mean it makes sense given what people profess they believe. It right there, straight from Jesus himself. The only way to get to heaven is through him.
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It depends on the interpretation. Many believe that Jesus is of God so therefore Jesus is God. In that case it would make sense that those that come to God do so through Jesus.
 
#115
#115
KB5252 said:
Those that believe. Who says heaven doesn't? Those that do not believe. Why even ask such a rhetorical question?
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So Muslims believe Muhammed ascended to heaven on a winged-horse. It is perfectly valid to assume so because they simply say they believe it, and you can't disprove it?
 
#116
#116
rjd970 said:
So Muslims believe Muhammed ascended to heaven on a winged-horse. It is perfectly valid to assume so because they simply say they believe it, and you can't disprove it?
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You sure are trying pretty hard with this.......

Every thing at its core is faith.
 
#117
#117
rjd970 said:
So Muslims believe Muhammed ascended to heaven on a winged-horse. It is perfectly valid to assume so because they simply say they believe it, and you can't disprove it?
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I am making no assumptions, I am simply stating believers believe and others don't.
 
#119
#119
joevol320 said:
so only things that hurt others will prevent them from going to heaven. what if you did hurt someone? will you go to heaven? or how many times can you hurt someone before your no longer qualified to go to heaven?
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Depending on the definition of hurt? If you do hurt someone I believe you can be forgiven by being truly sorry for actions, if you keep doing the same thing you probably are not truly sorry.
 
#122
#122
OrangeEmpire said:
How so, that is how we got every thing we have.
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I have no clue what you are talking about.

I thought you were saying because we have written manuscripts and word of mouth we should believe heaven is an actual place people go after they die.
 
#123
#123
rjd970 said:
I have no clue what you are talking about.

I thought you were saying because we have written manuscripts and word of mouth we should believe heaven is an actual place people go after they die.
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I believe Orange is just trying to get a rise out of you, bud.
 
#124
#124
rjd970 said:
I have no clue what you are talking about.

I thought you were saying because we have written manuscripts and word of mouth we should believe heaven is an actual place people go after they die.
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Funny, I have the same problem with you.

:)

You asked about heaven......... that is where heaven came from..... word of mouth and written manuscripts.....

Again, the core of every thing we believe is going to be left up to faith.
 
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