"Ex-Vols Relish Jones Call"....Volquest

[CleVOLander]

Now, I too was a fan around when Majors started. Majors was close to a home run hire. But, I remember him being inconsistent. One year he'd be up and the next, we'd struggle. Then, Fulmer (not exactly a home run hire at the time) took us to the next level.
After the last several years (worst in Tennessee history?) I love seeing a coach coming in to 'clean house' and aggressively fight to get us back. Dooley clearly was not the man to do that.

Exactly, as if we all knew that Fulmer was gonna be as good of a coach as he turned out to be. At the time, he was just alot better than Majors had become at that point...he wasn't a HC that we went and got, we promoted from within and turned into the coach we know remember.

 

[jasonvol18]

27-13 at central michigan
23-14 at cincinatti
Now if he had petrino like numbers(41-9 at Louisville) I'd be excited. oh yeah he tied for conference championships in big east

Make sure you include his numbers at Ark.
34-17..no sec anything. Plus Petrino has been hated everywhere he has bedn. Yea gimme Jones. If you dont like him then go pull for Petrino at W.Kent. Nobody is making you pull for UT. Go Hilltopers should be your next yell.

 

[GAVol]

Exactly, as if we all knew that Fulmer was gonna be as good of a coach as he turned out to be. At the time, he was just alot better than Majors had become at that point...he wasn't a HC that we went and got, we promoted from within and turned into the coach we know remember.

Given the talent level and the fact that he went 4-0 as interim head coach, we didn't exactly go out on a limb promoting Fulmer.

 

[jasonvol18]

Hart/Cheek/BOT/big boosters/local media will sell, sell, sell. Just like Butch, that asks his players what they are selling each day. It is about the sale. We are now WalMart or the local auto dealer.

Win games. The rest of it will not help the program long term. Recruit better players and win games. There were 60 letterman there at this staged PR event. There are hundreds within an hour's drive of UT. Most of them are skeptical as well. Let's see if it happens first. Dooley came in and won most of you over as well. Most of you then turned on him 2-3 years in.

The guy has never done a rebuild. He has lost 3 of his top 5 players on offense to the NFL with one more decision by Bray to go. That was the best unit the team had. Look at what the O-line will be like from an experience standpoint in 2014. The D was unspeakably bad. Are you expecting miracles there? It's OK to remain cautious since there is no track record of building a program by Jones. This will be a long term proposition if he is to be successful since Hart/Cheek botched it. All of it is happening as the rest of the SEC gets even better.

Technically he had to rebuild Cincy. His first year as HC there Kelly left the cupboard very bare. After that he has very good seasons at Cincy and way outrecruited Kelly. Tubbs walks into a much better situation at Cincy that Jones did when he took over. Fact!

 

[CleVOLander]

Given the talent level and the fact that he went 4-0 as interim head coach, we didn't exactly go out on a limb promoting Fulmer.

Yes, I know that interim run was what got him the job and Majors the boot....cause when Johnny came back, we started losing again after being teased with Fulmer at the helm. We saw "what could be" and it worked out, it could have just as easily have gone south as well.

 

[NashVol11]

Get behind the coach that wanted the job? I want the job. would ya'll support me? He wanted the job because he got paid a ton of money. Who wouldn't?

This.

 

[NashVol11]

95–81–0 (Regular Season)
5–4 (Postseason)
100–85–0 (Overall)

And who's record is this? And before the "it's the NFL excuse" you said yourself we are the SEC which is as good as any right short of the NFL.

The SEC is not anywhere close to the NFL. Spurrier and Saban have owned the SEC and were 6-10/8-8 guys in the League.

 

[GAVol]

This.

Of course that's true. I'm probably no more sold on him than you are. I just don't get the point of going negative on him before he's ever coached a game.

 

[joevol33]

This coach is going to change things here and I can't wait to see people who are hating on him now, try to come back and say 'oh I loved him from day one'.:loco:

 

[NashVol11]

Lets be honest. Butch Jones' previous record is irrelevant to you. There's nothing wrong with that opinion....but call it what is.

I don't understand this. Most people who aren't impressed with Jones have that opinion precisely because of his relatively underwhelming record.

 

[Vol in Mich]

Well, if you already know that Jones is mediocre and that the team will get blown out by everyone then I see no reason for you to bother following this team any longer.I absolutely can't stand you butthurt Grudenites that just can't seem to understand that Gruden was never coming.Get behind the coach that wanted the job and is trying to do the right things or go the hell on, you're incessant whining is getting really old.[/QUOTE]

"Grudenites" Kinda like Fulumerites? You just can't please some folks.

Give em hell Butch!

 

[jasonvol18]

Get behind the coach that wanted the job? I want the job. would ya'll support me? He wanted the job because he got paid a ton of money. Who wouldn't?

Getting paid a ton of money wasnt why he took the job or why coach's solely take jobs. If so Gruden would be here now and Jones would have taken the Colo job. Im guessing his pachage Colo offered may have been better and more secure that UT's. But he wanted to be here, unlike the last 2ones Douche's that have been here.

 

[terryfairplay]

The SEC is not anywhere close to the NFL. Spurrier and Saban have owned the SEC and were 6-10/8-8 guys in the League.

Even still saying it is a known fact that Gruden would be a homerun hire for more than a couple of years tops means nothing when a university should be trying to shore up consistency. Gruden would bring recruits but remember with NFL players his record still speaks for itself, I will never believe he would turn the ship around over night sorry.

 

[92volalum]

I respect what cbj n what he is doing n it is refreshing but bp did the same thing in bb but backed it up with good recruiting n big wins.

Its the pr part of what hart told him he would have to do to win over the entire family.

This is all very calculated......heck is this not similar to what kiff started doing????

Recruits n wins n the end will make vol nation love him. Tennessee is bigger than anyone running the p program. Don't fall in love with the coach....yet....lol

 

[sjrobert]

Exactly, as if we all knew that Fulmer was gonna be as good of a coach as he turned out to be. At the time, he was just alot better than Majors had become at that point...

Not supporting Majors, but that isn't exactly accurate. Majors last three years, and eight games credit from the fourth, had two SEC titles, so Majors "had become" a better coach, not worse. So, PF wasn't exactly a lot better than Majors. He did win an SEC title quicker than Majors, but he didn't have to do the "rebuilding job" which Majors faced after Bill Battle. Majors biggest problem was his attitude.

 

[NashVol11]

Of course that's true. I'm probably no more sold on him than you are. I just don't get the point of going negative on him before he's ever coached a game.

I can't speak for Gruuuden, but for me it's less a decision to consciously go negative because I have an "agenda" than it is a refusal to blindly go "YEAHHHH HE'S GONNA OWN SABAN GBO" just because he says something cool at a press conference.

Pretty much everyone was "negative" right when the hire was announced, then he says a couple nice things and all of a sudden there are like 50 threads that basically say "well, now that I thought about it a little more, he's gonna dominate!!! If you disagree go cheer for Alabama!!"

 

[NashVol11]

Going positive for no reason isn't any better. It's what led people to make 127361923687 excuses for Dooley when he clearly sucked.

 

[jasonvol18]

This coach is going to change things here and I can't wait to see people who are hating on him now, try to come back and say 'oh I loved him from day one'.:loco:

Agree 100%. I honestly liked the hire and now I love it. Really excited the more I learn about him and he is very likeable and one of those guys you want to pull for and want him to succeed. Some fans arent gonna be happy no matter who was hired. Hell Bama fans are everywhere now that Saban is there and winning so the ones who dont want to even give him a chance can go join the bammers. Go Vols!

 

[NashVol11]

Even still saying it is a known fact that Gruden would be a homerun hire for more than a couple of years tops means nothing when a university should be trying to shore up consistency. Gruden would bring recruits but remember with NFL players his record still speaks for itself, I will never believe he would turn the ship around over night sorry.

The record that shows he was better in Oakland than Tom Coughlin is in New York? The Super Bowl ring?

 

[CleVOLander]

Not supporting Majors, but that isn't exactly accurate. Majors last three years, and eight games credit from the fourth, had two SEC titles, so Majors "had become" a better coach, not worse. So, PF wasn't exactly a lot better than Majors. He did win an SEC title quicker than Majors, but he didn't have to do the "rebuilding job" which Majors faced after Bill Battle. Majors biggest problem was his attitude.

Well yes, I didn't mean to make it sound like Majors was Dooley by any means, just that Fulmer woke the fan base back up and we turned on Majors (guess in the same sense as how we did Fulmer toward the end).

 

[Jeepkuntry]

CBJ will turn things around. I've always been a firm believer that when your a winner off the field, it'll happen on the field.

 

[UT's#1Fan]

yes... he can most certainly talk the talk.... but all I really care about is if he can walk the walk. We shall see.

GO VOLS!

 

[jasonvol18]

I can't speak for Gruuuden, but for me it's less a decision to consciously go negative because I have an "agenda" than it is a refusal to blindly go "YEAHHHH HE'S GONNA OWN SABAN GBO" just because he says something cool at a press conference.

Pretty much everyone was "negative" right when the hire was announced, then he says a couple nice things and all of a sudden there are like 50 threads that basically say "well, now that I thought about it a little more, he's gonna dominate!!! If you disagree go cheer for Alabama!!"

Go pull for Bama..And wrong, saying a few words at a presser doesnt win fans over. He has hired a good staff with really good recruiters and is doing what the last coach didnt. Bring back former players, letting them know they are welcome back anytime and very much needed. To recognize what they have done and meant for building a winning tradition and that he wants to continue building on that.

 

[tnvols72]

27-13 at central michigan
23-14 at cincinatti
Now if he had petrino like numbers(41-9 at Louisville) I'd be excited. oh yeah he tied for conference championships in big east

What is Grudens record in College or NFL ? There is no proof that Gruden would of won if he came here. The only people that thought he was actually coming here were the few on here. You jumped right in with both feet , even made you a name and it was all for nothing. Either get on board or wait until Gruden gets hired in the NFL and go follow him then.

 

[NashVol11]

Go pull for Bama..

Exhibit A.

And wrong, saying a few words at a presser doesnt win fans over. He has hired a good staff with really good recruiters

The Cincinnati staff? Here comes the "it's a great staff because it has chemistry!" argument.

and is doing what the last coach didnt. Bring back former players, letting them know they are welcome back anytime and very much needed. To recognize what they have done and meant for building a winning tradition and that he wants to continue building on that.

That's cool and all, but dude went 0-9 against the upper echelon of the Big East when he inherited the two-time defending conference champion. Why should I expect him to beat the upper echelon of the SEC, especially after taking over 5-7 Tennessee?