Example of CNN bias

#26
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IPorange said:
I'm not terribly sensitive to Fox News' alleged bias. Used to listen to it all the time. The actual news portion usually led off with a somewhat conservative viewpoint, but gave an interpretation of the more liberal side of things afterward.

I think the politically entrenched are just whiny babies.
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I don't think I am. I don't care that CNN is biased... I would just prefer that they were honest about it.

FTR, it is all but impossible to avoid bias when pretty much everyone on staff shares a liberal paradigm.
 
#29
#29
More for you to chew on:

If the Mexican arms scandal had occurred under Bush... what would the coverage look like now? I mean this is a scandal that should be ripe for investigative reporters. There is intrigue and huge questions about how far up the chain the responsibility reaches... but somehow it isn't newsworthy to CNN et al.

Why is Murdoch's troubles so "newsworthy" compared to the continuing economic problems, failure of the stimulus package, or the cost of each jobs supposedly "saved or created" under that package?

CNN, NYT, WP, AP... etc are not interested in news that makes liberals look bad. They're as uncomfortable with it as conservatives are with news that makes their guys look bad... the difference is that liberals dominate much of the popular media.
 
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#30
Meh, these guys are going the way of the dodo. The internet is killing both print and broadcast.
 
#31
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they won't go away until cable tv does and that's not happening for a long, long time
 
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sjt18 said:
LG and others condemn Fox for being biased... which they are except for their straight news programs.

So... I was eating lunch today in a restaurant with CNN HLN on. This "straight news telecast" announced that Obama was meeting with Congressional reps again in an effort to reach a "balanced approach" to raising the debt limit. No explanation... just an attempt to leave the public with the impression that Obama was being the hero compromiser trying to pull the partisans together. They took their straight news right out of the WH talking points.

Of course it doesn't matter that Obama is the Partisan in Chief. He has demagogued GOP offerings and now the press is ready to let him get away with claiming to be the peacemaker?

It is exactly this kind of subtle language that makes MSM bias at once effective and destructive to the nation's dialogue. They should drop the pretense, acknowledge their liberal tilt, and say what they want to say... rather than dishonestly feigning objectivity.
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You just don't like the language and the policy. It would be "balanced" to have cuts and tax increases. Your personal belief that there should be no tax increases does not mean that it is inaccurate to call the Obama approach "balanced."

When you see "balanced" you view that as having some ideological point to it. It might be that a "balanced" approach is more popular with voters. Heck, every poll I've seen suggests that a significant majority of Americans approve of increasing taxes on the wealthy.

Don't take what you don't like and falsely spin it as inaccurate.




BigOrange15 said:
Of the major news stations, I actually feel like CNN is the most unbiased (if that exists.) Fox is right, MSNBC is left, and CNN seems to be center-left.
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I agree with this.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You just don't like the language and the policy. It would be "balanced" to have cuts and tax increases. Your personal belief that there should be no tax increases does not mean that it is inaccurate to call the Obama approach "balanced."
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the gov't has enough money to do the things they are supposed to do. Stealing more from us is not "balanced" especially when the increases are immediate and the cuts are a decade later and very likely will never happen (and he knows that)
 
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utvolpj said:
the gov't has enough money to do the things they are supposed to do. Stealing more from us is not "balanced" especially when the increases are immediate and the cuts are a decade later and very likely will never happen (and he knows that)
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In context, balanced is absolutely an apt description.
 
#37
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lawgator1 said:
In context, balanced is absolutely an apt description.
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not when one will happen (the one the Pres/Dems want) and one is likely to never materialize. In theory it may be but will not be applied that way and he knows it
 
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utvolpj said:
not when one will happen (the one the Pres/Dems want) and one is likely to never materialize. In theory it may be but will not be applied that way and he knows it
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I am not convinced that Obama will win this battle. I think Boehner is in a very difficult spot on this one and it is not inconceivable to me that, by august 2, the only option out there that can get enough House votes is the short term deal.
 
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utvolpj said:
the gov't has enough money to do the things they are supposed to do. Stealing more from us is not "balanced" especially when the increases are immediate and the cuts are a decade later and very likely will never happen (and he knows that)
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this. what are the chances cuts down the line will happen? on the other side "temporary bush tax cuts" are a perfect example. try pushing through tax increases or spending decreasing after people got used to the lower taxes or spending.
 
#40
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utvolpj said:
the gov't has enough money to do the things they are supposed to do. Stealing more from us is not "balanced" especially when the increases are immediate and the cuts are a decade later and very likely will never happen (and he knows that)
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droski said:
this. what are the chances cuts down the line will happen? on the other side "temporary bush tax cuts" are a perfect example. try pushing through tax increases or spending decreasing after people got used to the lower taxes or spending.
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This is why Obama wants to make the "Grand Deal." He sees this as the last best opportunity to truly deal with these problems, including reform to SS and Medicare cuts, and he's 100 % right.

If they don't make the Grand Deal now, and kick the can down the road for 6 months, there is no chance that with the 2012 elections coming up they can ever get something done. But right now there is an acceptance in the public for the kinds of cuts to entitlements that are going to be necessary. It can't wait.

The irony is that, if you really believe we have to reform these programs, and do things like increase the eligibility age in SS, make big cuts in Medicare and even Medicaid, then you have to root for Obama to force everyone's hand. This is the last best chance to get it done.
 
#44
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droski said:
you seriously think obama wants to cut spending?
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Yes. My understanding from the news reports is that he has proposed over a trillion in cuts. He has also advocated for including SS in the discussion, even though theoretically it could be excluded, because he sees the opportunity to address it now, in the larger scheme of things.


utvolpj said:
I would only believe it if the cuts were immediate
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Some are, but with entitlements the majority have to be moving forward.


BigPapaVol said:
of course he does. It's time for everyone to "eat their peas", unless they've been getting them for free or heavily discounted.
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Your sarcasm aside, I see no evidence that Obama is saying no to cuts.
 
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droski said:
you seriously think obama wants to cut spending?
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I seriously think Obama wants to be reelected; defaulting on the debt is the politcal death knell for the POTUS. Obama knows that the left, even in their anger will still vote for him. If he can campaign on killing OBL and securing the "Grand Deal", then he has another four yars to try to push "his agenda".
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lawgator1 said:
Your sarcasm aside, I see no evidence that Obama is saying no to cuts.
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Are you kidding me? He and his henchman are out right now telling the elderly that any opposition to his views wants them dead. He also damn well knows that the massive tax hike he is proposing gives him leverage in getting cuts where he wants them. He might not win, but he has bought an argument.
 
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droski said:
fuzzy math there. what's that in today's dollars?
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It's absurd that the media lets these idiots, on either side, get away with calling their proposals X trillion in cuts, which is clearly over ten years and includes potential savings on interest.
 
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sjt18 said:
Which is EXACTLY the problem. Any chance they would give a GOP President that kind of support? No. There isn't. They rejected Bush's language on various things out of hand.

If that is "simply" what they're doing then why didn't they also include GOP leaders' talking point language?

One time... this isn't much to talk about. As a pattern, it is the worst kind of biased reporting you can have.



You guys pretty easily sense that Fox is biased in the way they present and edit the news. You are very sensitive to it... Are you simply trying to validate your preconceived opinion? Why would you be surprised when a conservative/libertarian was likewise sensitive to liberal bias? We've been subjected to it for YEARS. Many of us know what it looks like and sounds like.
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News agencies didn't use 'Shock and Awe'? Come on. Get over the poor little Republican presidents are picked on and not treated fairly boo hoo schtick. It's unbecoming.
I don't recall ever crying about a Fox bias like you have CNN/HLN on here. I really don't care. I own a remote that changes the channel if something comes on that I don't like. It's great.
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#50
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DynamiteMcGhee said:
Wait you are going to use HLN as your example? At least use the real CNN to trash CNN. HLN is more celeb news, Joy Behar, and Nancy Grace than anything of substance.
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So she sits there giving straight news headlines on a straight news program.... and you want to parse that from other programming?

It was just a convenient example btw. CNN does the same thing.
 
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