Expectations

#54
#54
No worse than 3rd in the SEC, and make a good showing in the NCAA Tournament. Of course, there are many different opinions of what a "good showing" would be. Usually, the purpose of these type threads is to question whether or not the coach should return. IMO, Martin has done an adequate job overall. Recruiting has been good (although I think he missed on a couple of players). Martin's biggest accomplishment to this point, is his player development. That's something I didn't see much of from the previous staff.
 
#55
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The previous staff was pretty damn good at motivating and cheer leading. I think we will actually see some good half-court basketball this year.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I figure a 6 seed means we are ranked in the top 25 most likely. If were ranked come march that means we've had a pretty good regular season, and likely a decent showing in the SECT, that's why I went with 6 seed or better (I was close to saying 5 or better).

As for how we finish, I think definite top 3 should be the expectation, although I'm curious to see how LSU looks early.
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What's your breakdown of Hubbs? I haven't really had time to look into much this year so I haven't seen anything from him besides old high school film. What are your expectations for him?
 
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jcv0010 said:
What's your breakdown of Hubbs? I haven't really had time to look into much this year so I haven't seen anything from him besides old high school film. What are your expectations for him?
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My expectations are much more modest than most probably have. I said since he signed he wouldn't start freshman year, most thought that was foolish, but that's how it's gonna likely be. Richardson is a great player, has experience, but most of all plays defense like Martin wants.

I expect Hubbs to probably be the 1st or 2nd guy off the bench, play about 20 minutes a game, and average say 7-9ppg. He will have some bigger games when someone is in foul trouble, banged up, or we are killing someone where he'll get more minutes.

Jmo
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
My expectations are much more modest than most probably have. I said since he signed he wouldn't start freshman year, most thought that was foolish, but that's how it's gonna likely be. Richardson is a great player, has experience, but most of all plays defense like Martin wants.

I expect Hubbs to probably be the 1st or 2nd guy off the bench, play about 20 minutes a game, and average say 7-9ppg. He will have some bigger games when someone is in foul trouble, banged up, or we are killing someone where he'll get more minutes.

Jmo
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I agree with this assessment.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
My expectations are much more modest than most probably have. I said since he signed he wouldn't start freshman year, most thought that was foolish, but that's how it's gonna likely be. Richardson is a great player, has experience, but most of all plays defense like Martin wants.

I expect Hubbs to probably be the 1st or 2nd guy off the bench, play about 20 minutes a game, and average say 7-9ppg. He will have some bigger games when someone is in foul trouble, banged up, or we are killing someone where he'll get more minutes.

Jmo
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This is what I think as well. I also predict on those nights when he has a big game, some of our fanbase will start threads about Hubbs.

"Quanzo doesn't get it"

"Why isn't Hubbs starting"

"If Conzo doesn't start Hubbs now"

"I love Josh...but"

"Will Hubbs be the number 1 pick next year"

Also when he doesn't average 30

"Counzo doesn't get it"

"Is Hubbs a bigger bust than Hopson"

"If only we would have gotten Nichols instead"

"Why all the hype around Hubbs"

"Cunzo can't coach people up"
 
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BadJerry20 said:
This is what I think as well. I also predict on those nights when he has a big game, some of our fanbase will start threads about Hubbs.

"Quanzo doesn't get it"

"Why isn't Hubbs starting"

"If Conzo doesn't start Hubbs now"

"I love Josh...but"

"Will Hubbs be the number 1 pick next year"

Also when he doesn't average 30

"Counzo doesn't get it"

"Is Hubbs a bigger bust than Hopson"

"If only we would have gotten Nichols instead"

"Why all the hype around Hubbs"

"Cunzo can't coach people up"
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I only regret that I have but one "like" to give this post.

I've been saying/warning of this for months, but somehow, I still know these threads will exist a month or two from now. You can set your watch by it.

I am in the same camp, and have defended it vehemently, that Hubbs won't start, at least at the beginning over Richardson. JRich is like Martin's pet-project. I think he sees more of himself in him than any other player.

I expect around 20-24 mpg between the 2 and 3, and 7-9 ppg. More than that, and it's just gravy. Hubbs' greatest impact probably isn't felt until he takes over for McRae at SG as a sophomore.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
This is what I think as well. I also predict on those nights when he has a big game, some of our fanbase will start threads about Hubbs.

"Quanzo doesn't get it"

"Why isn't Hubbs starting"

"If Conzo doesn't start Hubbs now"

"I love Josh...but"

"Will Hubbs be the number 1 pick next year"

Also when he doesn't average 30

"Counzo doesn't get it"

"Is Hubbs a bigger bust than Hopson"

"If only we would have gotten Nichols instead"

"Why all the hype around Hubbs"

"Cunzo can't coach people up"
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The best post I've ever seen
 
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Didn't read all the way through this thread... I'll do it when I get a better chance.

Guess it's that time of year again! Good to be back here. Really like this forum.

Here are my thoughts:

If y'all will allow me to nitpick, the main problem I see with this team (from looking at the roster and reading Z's player evaluations) is that we lack depth. After Hubbs as the sixth man, we have Armani Moore and Darius Thompson. Big time question marks. We'll need a significant leap from Moore, who has obvious ability and has shown flashes of it, but who looked very raw for most of last year. And Thompson will need to give us good minutes at the backup PG position... A tough ask for any true freshman.

All that said, I'm extremely excited for this year. We have a chance to be great. I have my reservations about Cuonzo Martin, but I always believed he should be given this year and I defended him when I could. What I want is for him, along with the team, to dispel my doubts early. I want to see us play like we all know this roster can. The starting 5 is clearly stacked, with Hubbs, a 5-star, coming off the bench? "Boom" is what I say to that.

As far as expectations, I'm trying to stay as grounded as possible, because that's just how I am with all my teams. I can't help it. We had better be a tournament lock, and further than that I want us to remain in the top 25 all year long. With this squad, I think that's more than doable. I won't give an expectation as far as how far we get in the Dance, because some fluky things can happen in a 1-game sample, so if we lose in the first round that doesn't necessarily make the entire season a failure if we end up getting a 4-seed or so. I expect a 6-seed at least.

All my two cents. Again, glad to be back fellas! Go Vols! :hi:
 
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BadJerry20 said:
This is what I think as well. I also predict on those nights when he has a big game, some of our fanbase will start threads about Hubbs.

"Quanzo doesn't get it"

"Why isn't Hubbs starting"

"If Conzo doesn't start Hubbs now"

"I love Josh...but"

"Will Hubbs be the number 1 pick next year"

Also when he doesn't average 30

"Counzo doesn't get it"

"Is Hubbs a bigger bust than Hopson"

"If only we would have gotten Nichols instead"

"Why all the hype around Hubbs"

"Cunzo can't coach people up"
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Of course it was the opposite direction after/ during Zo's first yr.......

Zo wipes front to back.....I'm so glad he is our coach

Zo washes hands after each bathroom trip.....I'm so glad he is our coach

Zo helps little old ladies across the street.....I'm so glad he is our coach

There were some comments saying they would rather have him than coach K or Izzo.
 
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I think we finish out the regular season 25-6, ranking of #10-14, a loss to UK in the SECT final, and a 3 seed. Then we lose in the E8 to Duke.

Pretty solid year for us if I do say so myself.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
My expectations are much more modest than most probably have. I said since he signed he wouldn't start freshman year, most thought that was foolish, but that's how it's gonna likely be. Richardson is a great player, has experience, but most of all plays defense like Martin wants.

I expect Hubbs to probably be the 1st or 2nd guy off the bench, play about 20 minutes a game, and average say 7-9ppg. He will have some bigger games when someone is in foul trouble, banged up, or we are killing someone where he'll get more minutes.

Jmo
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That's a fair evaluation. He has areas for improvement, i.e., shot and ball skills. I do like his ability to take it to the rack strong, with a little development and some strength and conditioning he will be a force. I just don't want him to pull a Scotty Hopson.
 
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iKrager said:
You know what it means. He doesn't want Hubbs having great games and then horrible games. He doesn't want Hubbs to be another 5* bust.
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Pretty much along the lines of this. Hopson was good but could have been great. He showed glimpses of what he was capable of, if he would have just taken the time to fully develop his game he would be a solid player in the league right now. Instead he left prematurely and squandered an easy road to the pros.

Hubbs reminds me of Hopson in some aspects, such as body type, and their playing style. This is based soley off of high school tape of Hubbs and he could be completely different now, we will find out pretty soon. I just don't want him to be a 5* star that comes in, has a few big moments, never fully develops, and feels he is ready for the next level, leaves and doesn't pan out.
 
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iKrager said:
You know what it means. He doesn't want Hubbs having great games and then horrible games. He doesn't want Hubbs to be another 5* bust.
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Hopson was a bust? Wtf...

If Hubbs is averaging 17ppg his junior year I'll be damn pleased, some of you guys are ridiculous.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Hopson was a bust? Wtf...

If Hubbs is averaging 17ppg his junior year I'll be damn pleased, some of you guys are ridiculous.
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I'm not saying he was a bust, just that there was pretty of room for improvement and he could have been an NBA player. In that aspect he was a bust, as a college player he was very good.
 
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jcv0010 said:
I'm not saying he was a bust, just that there was pretty of room for improvement and he could have been an NBA player. In that aspect he was a bust, as a college player he was very good.
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I know you didn't call him a bust, Krager did which is why I quoted him.

As for NBA, if Hopson had a brain he would be in the league, it isn't because of talent. He doesn't have enough talent to get in being a DA, but I remember there was some negative reactions about his interviews with NBA teams. Can't remember the exact words, but I think one scout said he was on another planet after interviewing him.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I know you didn't call him a bust, Krager did which is why I quoted him.

As for NBA, if Hopson had a brain he would be in the league, it isn't because of talent. He doesn't have enough talent to get in being a DA, but I remember there was some negative reactions about his interviews with NBA teams. Can't remember the exact words, but I think one scout said he was on another planet after interviewing him.
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This. Scotty never had a problem talent wise or with work ethic. His struggles were in 2 areas: mental, dribbling in traffic
 
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Everyone should forget that Hubbs was a 5* prospect. It clouds peoples' minds and makes them say irrational things that make them look like fools.

Hubbs slid down the recruiting rankings toward the end of his Senior season and ended up being a borderline 4*. What would it do for your expectations of him if he was one of the first few 4* to not make the cut for a bump (and this was indeed the case for his ESPN ranking)? He's not that much different than Jordan McRae was coming out of high school in terms of being an athletic wing in the 20-50 ranking range with good offensive skills and little to no defense. People at least gave Jordan a couple of buffer years before they started to wonder whether or not he was a bust. Then he turned it on that season, as is the case with talented guys that need to mature their games a little.

Also, consider the high school competition that Hubbs played against. Maybe not quite as bad as that of Scotty Hopson, but it wasn't the Brooklyn either.

I'm obviously doing my best impression of Lou Holtz by poor mouthing the kid, but anyone that may potentially get on here and call him a bust midway through his first season needs to expect him to suck going in. Go ahead and expect the worst so you'll still have your wits about you when he exceeds your diminished expectations.
 
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MannyD said:
Everyone should forget that Hubbs was a 5* prospect. It clouds peoples' minds and makes them say irrational things that make them look like fools.

Hubbs slid down the recruiting rankings toward the end of his Senior season and ended up being a borderline 4*. What would it do for your expectations of him if he was one of the first few 4* to not make the cut for a bump (and this was indeed the case for his ESPN ranking)? He's not that much different than Jordan McRae was coming out of high school in terms of being an athletic wing in the 20-50 ranking range with good offensive skills and little to no defense. People at least gave Jordan a couple of buffer years before they started to wonder whether or not he was a bust. Then he turned it on that season, as is the case with talented guys that need to mature their games a little.

Also, consider the high school competition that Hubbs played against. Maybe not quite as bad as that of Scotty Hopson, but it wasn't the Brooklyn either.

I'm obviously doing my best impression of Lou Holtz by poor mouthing the kid, but anyone that may potentially get on here and call him a bust midway through his first season needs to expect him to suck going in. Go ahead and expect the worst so you'll still have your wits about you when he exceeds your diminished expectations.
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No one said he was going to be a bust.
 
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