Expectations

#77
#77
BigZiti09 said:
This. Scotty never had a problem talent wise or with work ethic. His struggles were in 2 areas: mental, dribbling in traffic
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I don't know anything one way or another about his work ethic, but if he put in all the extra work he didn't do it in the right areas. He needed to be working on his handle as much as possible. It never improved the whole time he was here.

He did completely retool his jump shot which takes a lot of work.
 
#78
#78
Just saying, I don't think Hopson was a 5* bust I was just saying what I thought jcv meant. I've actually said it before that I thought Hopson was a phenomenal CBB player. Hubbs doesn't have that "I'm damn better than everyone else" mindset like Scotty did, which is why when Scotty had bad games he would just shock himself out of the games because he missed a 3pter or 2.
 
#79
#79
MannyD said:
Everyone should forget that Hubbs was a 5* prospect. It clouds peoples' minds and makes them say irrational things that make them look like fools.

Hubbs slid down the recruiting rankings toward the end of his Senior season and ended up being a borderline 4*. What would it do for your expectations of him if he was one of the first few 4* to not make the cut for a bump (and this was indeed the case for his ESPN ranking)? He's not that much different than Jordan McRae was coming out of high school in terms of being an athletic wing in the 20-50 ranking range with good offensive skills and little to no defense. People at least gave Jordan a couple of buffer years before they started to wonder whether or not he was a bust. Then he turned it on that season, as is the case with talented guys that need to mature their games a little.

Also, consider the high school competition that Hubbs played against. Maybe not quite as bad as that of Scotty Hopson, but it wasn't the Brooklyn either.

I'm obviously doing my best impression of Lou Holtz by poor mouthing the kid, but anyone that may potentially get on here and call him a bust midway through his first season needs to expect him to suck going in. Go ahead and expect the worst so you'll still have your wits about you when he exceeds your diminished expectations.
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First bold. Whut? Expect him to suck? Level headed fans expect him to have some tremendous game and some low games, but eventually mid way into the year he will be the sixth man and doesn't take a drop off in scoring. He dropped in the rankings due to him having to play the center for his team. He was being doubled and tripled and was still scoring. Whether he played quality comp or not he still was runner up for Mr. Basketball. I think majority of the people are setting them selves up for failure when it comes to Hubbs. He's going to have time to learn and get better playing around talent. 8-10 point range from Hubbs is a great season on this team.
 
#80
#80
iKrager said:
Just saying, I don't think Hopson was a 5* bust I was just saying what I thought jcv meant. I've actually said it before that I thought Hopson was a phenomenal CBB player. Hubbs doesn't have that "I'm damn better than everyone else" mindset like Scotty did, which is why when Scotty had bad games he would just shock himself out of the games because he missed a 3pter or 2.
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Exactly and Scotty coming in and starting right away didn't help. He was ready to prove that he was one and done. Scotty and Hubbs compare psychically and that's it.
 
#81
#81
Martin said after watching the tape of the scrimmage that Hubbs was the best player on the court. He went on to say that now Robert needs to bring that same mindset every day that he brought that day.

That's been my biggest concern with him since day 1, he's not assertive enough, he's better than 99.9% of the guys he'll face, he needs to know it and play like it.
 
#82
#82
SJAVol32 said:
First bold. Whut? Expect him to suck? Level headed fans expect him to have some tremendous game and some low games, but eventually mid way into the year he will be the sixth man and doesn't take a drop off in scoring. He dropped in the rankings due to him having to play the center for his team. He was being doubled and tripled and was still scoring. Whether he played quality comp or not he still was runner up for Mr. Basketball. I think majority of the people are setting them selves up for failure when it comes to Hubbs. He's going to have time to learn and get better playing around talent. 8-10 point range from Hubbs is a great season on this team.
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I said I was poor mouthing the kid. Some people hear 5* and think they're ready for the NBA straight out of high school. And I wasn't addressing levelheaded fans in my post.

8-10 points is realistic. I said 8ppg would be a great season from him several months back. I can't wait until the first substitution in the game Saturday so I can finally see the kid play.
 
#83
#83
MannyD said:
I said I was poor mouthing the kid. Some people hear 5* and think they're ready for the NBA straight out of high school. And I wasn't addressing levelheaded fans in my post.

8-10 points is realistic. I said 8ppg would be a great season from him several months back. I can't wait until the first substitution in the game Saturday so I can finally see the kid play.
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I'd be extremely pleased with 8 points a game. I think he'll take this season to learn to be aggressive. It will do nothing but help him in the long run.
 
#85
#85
MannyD said:
I said I was poor mouthing the kid. Some people hear 5* and think they're ready for the NBA straight out of high school. And I wasn't addressing levelheaded fans in my post.

8-10 points is realistic. I said 8ppg would be a great season from him several months back. I can't wait until the first substitution in the game Saturday so I can finally see the kid play.
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Where can I watch the exhibition?
 
#92
#92
MannyD said:
Everyone should forget that Hubbs was a 5* prospect. It clouds peoples' minds and makes them say irrational things that make them look like fools.

Hubbs slid down the recruiting rankings toward the end of his Senior season and ended up being a borderline 4*. What would it do for your expectations of him if he was one of the first few 4* to not make the cut for a bump (and this was indeed the case for his ESPN ranking)? He's not that much different than Jordan McRae was coming out of high school in terms of being an athletic wing in the 20-50 ranking range with good offensive skills and little to no defense. People at least gave Jordan a couple of buffer years before they started to wonder whether or not he was a bust. Then he turned it on that season, as is the case with talented guys that need to mature their games a little.

Also, consider the high school competition that Hubbs played against. Maybe not quite as bad as that of Scotty Hopson, but it wasn't the Brooklyn either.

I'm obviously doing my best impression of Lou Holtz by poor mouthing the kid, but anyone that may potentially get on here and call him a bust midway through his first season needs to expect him to suck going in. Go ahead and expect the worst so you'll still have your wits about you when he exceeds your diminished expectations.
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Hubbs and McRae do have similar skill-sets at the same age. Hubbs is much more mature physically though.
 
#95
#95
bleedingTNorange said:
Martin said after watching the tape of the scrimmage that Hubbs was the best player on the court. He went on to say that now Robert needs to bring that same mindset every day that he brought that day.

That's been my biggest concern with him since day 1, he's not assertive enough, he's better than 99.9% of the guys he'll face, he needs to know it and play like it.
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BTO, you hit on something I've been thinking for a while. Hubbs carries himself with a bit of a laid back demeanor. Some might say similar to Scotty's. It's not a bad thing, but the UT fanbase can get bent out of shape if they think a player doesn't give 110%.

I think you're right about Hubbs not being assertive enough. My impression of him is that he may be somewhat passive and it will take him some time to reach his full potential, partly because he may have to make a conscious effort to be more aggressive at times.

Jmo though.
 
#96
#96
BigZiti09 said:
BTO, you hit on something I've been thinking for a while. Hubbs carries himself with a bit of a laid back demeanor. Some might say similar to Scotty's. It's not a bad thing, but the UT fanbase can get bent out of shape if they think a player doesn't give 110%.

I think you're right about Hubbs not being assertive enough. My impression of him is that he may be somewhat passive and it will take him some time to reach his full potential, partly because he may have to make a conscious effort to be more aggressive at times.

Jmo though.
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Agree 110%
 
#97
#97
Spartacavolus said:
sweet 16 run and single digits in the loss collumn. Anything less is a disappointment
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Agree, schedule isn't too daunting. Should at least make it to the Sweet 16 and then anything is possible after that, depending on matchups. We should definitely be pounding the ball inside to Stokes and Maymon.
 
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#98
#98
1985Vols said:
Agree, schedule isn't too daunting. Should at least make it to the Sweet 16 and then anything is possible after that, depending on matchups. We should definitely be pounding the ball inside to Stokes and Maymon.
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Championship or bust IMO
 
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