Fake Injures and SEC

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OrangeVolMan said:
The SEC and Sankey sure can assess fines for things that aren’t against the rules. It’s not against the rules for fans to rush the field but SEC issues fines for it. Not saying they will assess anyone for faking injury but the SEC has the authority to do it.
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Maybe I didn't state it correctly. They can do whatever they want. But my point is, put a rule in place that makes it harder to fake injuries. It can be done.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Freak - If this was already posted, please delete the thread. Looks like Sank man has heard the the yips about fake injures.

apnews.com

SEC cracks down on coaches and teams faking injuries to slow hurry-up offenses

The Southeastern Conference is cracking down on its players falling down and feigning injuries. In a letter to league coaches and athletic directors that was shared with The Associated Press, SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey is telling teams to “stop any and all activity related to faking injuries to cr
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If you want to stop this shiz, if a player goes down and stops play he comes out of the game until change of possession for the first instance. after 3 stoppages by the same player. he's out of the game.
 
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The announcers were discussing it and I believe they said the SEC would have a group review game film and make determinations. Probably not looking at single events as much a pattern of behavior. The first violation would cost the coach $50,000; the second $100,000; and the third would be a one game suspension. Schools could appeal of course.

This would about as clear as the rules on targeting 😂
 
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oUTraged said:
And how are you going to prove if an injury is fake or not?
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The obvious one is when a player looks to the sideline and then just falls down. That is what is gonna stop. I believe it will be replaced by a player simply staying on the ground after a play. Those will be hard to contain.
 
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Sarms58 said:
The announcers were discussing it and I believe they said the SEC would have a group review game film and make determinations. Probably not looking at single events as much a pattern of behavior. The first violation would cost the coach $50,000; the second $100,000; and the third would be a one game suspension. Schools could appeal of course.

This would about as clear as the rules on targeting 😂
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There was definitely one in the first half that deserves this review

Determination of fake injuries will be assesed by the national coordinator of football officiating, which is Steve Shaw, under the following parameters laid out in Sankey's memo:
"If the National Coordinator determines that a feigned injury has occurred, that it is more likely than not that a feigned injury occurred, that a player attempted to feign an injury, or any other general statement from the National Coordinator establishing the probability of a feigned injury."
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
There can never be a rule because you're asking refs to decide if a player is really injured or not and player safety will be questioned. This is only something that can be reviewed after the fact and fines issued. No rule is possible.
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Good point, but I think you can make a rule that says ANYONE requiring a time out called by an official is out for a specified amount of time. Therefore game officials never have to make that judgment. Using 6 minutes as an arbitrary number, it works to penalize fake injuries and it also works for staff to assess players for severity of injuries.
 
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Literally just have to go down with “cramps”. Little water, little massage, good to go.

Coaches signaling to players to go down and they were obviously fine beforehand, coach should serve a suspension and fine.
 
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vols40 said:
A rule that requires injured players to sit the rest of that possession will absolutely stop it. And in this era of feelings it can be passed for "safety concerns" for the "injured" player.
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You’re gonna have to come up with something better than just the “rest of the series”. It’ll have to be a set number of plays, let’s say 7. If you want the player to return sooner you can burn a timeout. They’re also able to return after a change of possession. We’ll add that you get ONE free injury timeout each half.
 
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Tennessee had another lineman get 'injured" on an extra point list night. Our conditioning program for linemen on extra points really is suspect...
 
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cardvolfan said:
Good point, but I think you can make a rule that says ANYONE requiring a time out called by an official is out for a specified amount of time. Therefore game officials never have to make that judgment. Using 6 minutes as an arbitrary number, it works to penalize fake injuries and it also works for staff to assess players for severity of injuries.
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I like injured players sitting out 4 downs. It is a full possession and much easier to track than a penalty box. I think there would need to be a new official to track it in a booth somewhere.
 
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I think the only real answer is to have the "injured" player sit out at least 4-8 plays on the side of the ball he suffered the injury on. So for players like Travis Hunter... if he goes down on Offense and they have to stop play he must sit out 4-8 plays (I think the sweet spot is somewhere within that number range) on offense. He can play immediately on Defense...but he must sit out the next 4-8 plays on Offense. Obviously 99.9% of players only play on one side of the ball. If the player plays special teams he can not return to the field until he has set out his allotted # of snaps.

I think this would provide enough of a deterrent to not fake injuries without officials having to guess whether or not the injury is real. I don't think a team can really get around it by putting in a back-up to fake an injury. If the back up goes down before the play (without playing a snap) that's when you fine the coach. If the back-up plays a snap or multiple snaps he has to sit out (the 4-8 snaps) just like any other player.
 
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Said it before, I will be shocked if it’s ever enforced. Sounds like a politician, nothing more than empty promises.
 
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number1volfanfrom76 said:
observations are legitimate! however, what if the injury is legit? I would hate for fans to boo a real injury. I hate to boo a player, no matter what side.
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Exactly. How can anyone disprove a cramp? I hate the fake injuries as much as anyone but this is some shaky ground here. I hated that TN fans booed every time a UK player went down. That shows low class imo.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Exactly. How can anyone disprove a cramp? I hate the fake injuries as much as anyone but this is some shaky ground here. I hated that TN fans booed every time a UK player went down. That shows low class imo.
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You can’t but you can make that player stay off the field for a bit. If he’s really hurt it’s all good. If he’s faking maybe they’ll think twice next time.
 
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vols40 said:
A rule that requires injured players to sit the rest of that possession will absolutely stop it. And in this era of feelings it can be passed for "safety concerns" for the "injured" player.
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I don’t know if that stops it? If we are rolling and the personnel grouping on defense is not good (for example run D linemen and nickle package for run stop) then they still get to swap for a more neutral grouping that is not getting gashed in passing game. It should be injured player requiring play stoppage is out for 3 possessions or something. That would slow down the occurences and eliminate the judgement call which is troublesome.
 
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cardvolfan said:
Good point, but I think you can make a rule that says ANYONE requiring a time out called by an official is out for a specified amount of time. Therefore game officials never have to make that judgment. Using 6 minutes as an arbitrary number, it works to penalize fake injuries and it also works for staff to assess players for severity of injuries.
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Make it 15 minutes of real time once they get into the medical tent. Have a big timer on the side of the tent that lets everyone know there is no funny business going on. They aren’t allowed to leave the tent until the timer hits 0:00.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Make it 15 minutes of real time once they get into the medical tent. Have a big timer on the side of the tent that lets everyone know there is no funny business going on. They aren’t allowed to leave the tent until the timer hits 0:00.
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Naw, game minutes, TV timeouts, inserting another designated injury guy to go down, quarter and halftime breaks are too much to accommodate. Tag the helmet with return time when they go down and have medical staff hold it till time is up, across periods et.al.

I still think requiring the specific use of a timeout for REENTRY of any player would be easiest. Real injuries are not penalized at all and you can buy a star back in at will. PLUS only injured player can be subbed unless the offense also subs. They can still go nickle ,etc. but no mass subs.
 
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I like the idea of players sitting out a required number of plays if the injury results in a stoppage of the game. I also think that unless the offense substitutes during an injury timeout that the defense cannot or be flagged for illegal substitution (injured player exempt of course).
 
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BelleVol said:
The issue got worse after the Sankey mandate. What a joke.
It is not the way to solve the problem but nobody wants to address removing the “injured” player from the series at a minimum.
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Sankey’s toothless directive takes a page from Macbeth’s playbook. It is “full of sound and fury, signifying nothing”.

And, to make matters worse, Sankey tasked Steve Shaw, of all people, to monitor and enforce it. That should reassure everyone!
 
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Or they could just do something a little similar to what stoppage time in soccer. Add up all the difference of lost game time and give the team with the positive difference extra time and the ball at the end of regulation. If the team is winning and gets the extra time the game is over but if they are losing they have a chance to go score.
 
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