Fannie and Fred on the Brink

#26
#26
$5 Trillion?? Freddie and Fannie can be bailed out for $100 Billion easy, add in some sort of stock options and or warrants in the deal and the govt could make some good money off this. Unfortunately the current shareholders are screwed.

more like $30 billion and that could (should) be a loan not a flat out bailout. their new debt is being issued at great spreads so this is only a temporary problem. anyone wanting any free money i suggest looking at the fannie and freddie preffereds which are yielding like 13%.

and greenspan is to blame for the housing bubble keeping interest rates so low for so long.
 
#27
#27
It's been a nice little short play. I agree, we should just blame this on Bush also..:crazy:
 
#34
#34
It is all a ploy!

He was cloned from Albert Einstein, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Nikola Tesla.

Actually, OE, I think this may be a more accurate lineage.

Julius Caesar, Napoleon Bonaparte, Attila the Hun, Philip II of Macedon and his son Alexander the Great, Ivan the Terrible, Vlad the Impaler, Hannibal, Genghis Khan, and Grigori Rasputin
 
#36
#36
Bush isn't to blame for anything, invading Iraq on sketchy intelligence, enormous deficit spending, U.S. energy policy, etc. He's just the sitting President, we can't expect him to address any of the nation's problems.

Not listening to Alan Greenspan on economic issues who can blame Bush for that? What kind of record does Greenspan have on the economy.
That one bothers me the most... you DO understand that congress approves the budget before it goes into effect, right?

You DO understand that congress passed laws essentially forcing mortgage companies to offer loans to people who had no business getting them to begin with, right?
 
#37
#37
That one bothers me the most... you DO understand that congress approves the budget before it goes into effect, right?

You DO understand that congress passed laws essentially forcing mortgage companies to offer loans to people who had no business getting them to begin with, right?

bingo! We don't want to make anyone feel inadequate because they can't afford 3 bedrooms instead of 2. Or have 1.3 acres instead of .3.
 
#38
#38
anyone wanting any free money i suggest looking at the fannie and freddie preffereds which are yielding like 13%.

after bernake's statement the prefferds rallied 40% from when i made this post. damn i'm good :)
 
#40
#40
That one bothers me the most... you DO understand that congress approves the budget before it goes into effect, right?

You DO understand that congress passed laws essentially forcing mortgage companies to offer loans to people who had no business getting them to begin with, right?

Did you really expect Congress to vote to not finance the war to avoid the deficit spending?

So you blame Congress for the deficit spending when the President asked for the declaration of war? All I can say is wow.

I do agree Congress should have not have voted for the declaration of war, but wow, you expect alot from your congress. I'm pretty sure Congress was a Republican majority during that time.
 
#42
#42
Did you really expect Congress to vote to not finance the war to avoid the deficit spending?

So you blame Congress for the deficit spending when the President asked for the declaration of war? All I can say is wow.

I do agree Congress should have not have voted for the declaration of war, but wow, you expect alot from your congress. I'm pretty sure Congress was a Republican majority during that time.

The point is you can't rail on one without doing the same with the other. One could not have done it without the other here.
 
#43
#43
Did you really expect Congress to vote to not finance the war to avoid the deficit spending?

So you blame Congress for the deficit spending when the President asked for the declaration of war? All I can say is wow.

I do agree Congress should have not have voted for the declaration of war, but wow, you expect alot from your congress. I'm pretty sure Congress was a Republican majority during that time.

Wouldn't it be easier for you just to say D@mn You George Bush?

Every thing wrong with the entire world over the past 8 years is the direct fault of W.

When my sump pump broke, it was W. When a tire went flat it was W.

When my wife lost a pair of her tennis shoes it was W's fault!
 
#44
#44
Wouldn't it be easier for you just to say D@mn You George Bush?

Every thing wrong with the entire world over the past 8 years is the direct fault of W.

When my sump pump broke, it was W. When a tire went flat it was W.

When my wife lost a pair of her tennis shoes it was W's fault!

I've siad it before, but the last hangnail I had was Bush's fault.
 
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#45
#45
Good grief.

You asked above 'what about the $5 trillion that could go bad' and that number could not be futher from the truth. $5 billion is the face value of the notes they've underwritten, all of them. CNN, in their typical way, said it could be in the hundreds of BILLIONS, but even that number is misleading. This is a fed driven pile of writedowns causing many of the capital requirements. While default levels are high, they are still manageable in light of the capital bases of the two companies.

What in the world can the president do to stop exuberance in the market? Especially in housing, when the libs at Fannie and Freddie view it as their function on earth to provide housing, the basis of wealth in their view, to everyone, regardless of the borrowers' wherewithal. The day the president sticks his head into that mess is the day that we need a new one.

Bash Bush for the uncontrolled spending (but don't leave out the congress) and for the Iraq war (though the jury's still out for those not wrapped into the 24 hr news cycle). But what do you know of US energy policy and how might that have helped? If you're going to suggest that he should have helped develop something else, you're deranged and if you think he should have made us less dependent upon foreign oil, he's in the process.

5 trillion is the amount of debt the govt will have to guarantee if they are forced to bail them out

The government officials said that the administration had also considered calling for legislation that would offer an explicit government guarantee on the $5 trillion of debt owned or guaranteed by the companies. But that is a far less attractive option, they said, because it would effectively double the size of the public debt.

U.S. Weighs Takeover of Two Mortgage Giants: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance


If the President can't be expected to correct this problem when he was warned by Greenspan in 04, then why are they preparing to take action now? If it wasn't his problem then, why is it his problem now?
 
#48
#48
If the President can't be expected to correct this problem when he was warned by Greenspan in 04, then why are they preparing to take action now? If it wasn't his problem then, why is it his problem now?

once again greenspan caused this housing problem. he's far more to blame than any other american.
 
#49
#49
once again greenspan caused this housing problem. he's far more to blame than any other american.

This is what I don't get - there are plenty of reasons NOT to listen to Greenspan but people hold him up as the final word on economic policy.
 
#50
#50
The point is you can't rail on one without doing the same with the other. One could not have done it without the other here.
Exactly right. No matter how much people want to believe it, this is not a dictatorship, and the president is NOT responsible for everything that occurs on his watch.
5 trillion is the amount of debt the govt will have to guarantee if they are forced to bail them out



U.S. Weighs Takeover of Two Mortgage Giants: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance


If the President can't be expected to correct this problem when he was warned by Greenspan in 04, then why are they preparing to take action now? If it wasn't his problem then, why is it his problem now?
Did you not notice it says "Call for legislation"? That just means the White House is considering asking Congress to do something about it. The Oval Office is powerless to legislate.
 

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