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Amb3096 said:
We had a bunch of top 10 rated players and McD AAs. Outside of the low post, there was a lot of depth. And they still sucked.
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I'm just basing it on shooting percentages. None of those AA's were excellent shooters in high school and what they shot in high school proceeded them to college.
For some amazing reason Holly finally got a class of players that are actually shooting the ball well in high school.
They may not be able to do it in college still to be determined but I believe they will maybe you don't believe that.

If they don't then we'll lose a lot of games again like this year. If their percentages pan out we'll win those games.

No one knows the future but I am more optimistic about this class more than any since Parker.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I'm just basing it on shooting percentages. None of those AA's were excellent shooters in high school and what they shot in high school proceeded them to college.
For some amazing reason Holly finally got a class of players that are actually shooting the ball well in high school.
They may not be able to do it in college still to be determined but I believe they will maybe you don't believe that.

If they don't then we'll lose a lot of games again like this year. If their percentages pan out we'll win those games.

No one knows the future but I am more optimistic about this class more than any since Parker.
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I don't think players could be rated as high as Nared, Mercedes, Diamond if they could not shoot in high school.... that is my guess ... that to be ranked so high you have no glaring holes in your game...

And shooting, refining your shot, can certainly be coached. There are many examples of players who come from high school and spend many hours practicing their shot with the help of coaching staff. It is not a death sentence if players are recruited who do not have the best shot.
 
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LasVegasBill23 said:
I don't think players could be rated as high as Nared, Mercedes, Diamond if they could not shoot in high school.... that is my guess ... that to be ranked so high you have no glaring holes in your game...

And shooting, refining your shot, can certainly be coached. There are many examples of players who come from high school and spend many hours practicing their shot with the help of coaching staff. It is not a death sentence if players are recruited who do not have the best shot.
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High school rankings are only as good as the district they are in. I had a girl in Atlanta, Amber, 5'9", who I coached for two years. She was in the top ten in 7 statistical categories in Decatur GA. A suburb of Atlanta (within the perimeter).

I went to see several of Amber's HS games. . . . She SHOULD,, have been top ten in "8" Categories!

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LadyVol1908 said:
Maybe you shouldn't have started your 1000th "Fire Holly" thread before the game was over!
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No matter how frustrated we are, even if we produce one million, "Fire Holly's azz", threads, she will be back next year. We might want to save those threads until next year.:cray:
 
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maxvolfan said:
I think the focus on Defense takes away from a offensive shooters game. True or false.
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To me, false. With a "but"...

The reason is mindset. . . The greats want to be greater. If they constantly match-up with another teams offensive star, they learn more of their own moves by defending. the moves that are effective against them, become theirs. . . MJ and Kobe, both, were perennial defensive first teamers, yet depended on for their offense.

BUT...

For a player like DD, it sparks her offense to overpower an opponent on defense. But you take a player like Meme, she gets out there and goes into "shutdown" mode. She could care less about scoring she just wants to shut her girl down... She has to be reminded to play offense sometimes.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I'm just basing it on shooting percentages. None of those AA's were excellent shooters in high school and what they shot in high school proceeded them to college.
For some amazing reason Holly finally got a class of players that are actually shooting the ball well in high school.
They may not be able to do it in college still to be determined but I believe they will maybe you don't believe that.

If they don't then we'll lose a lot of games again like this year. If their percentages pan out we'll win those games.

No one knows the future but I am more optimistic about this class more than any since Parker.
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According to MaxPreps, the HS career shooting percentages for current players was:

Te'a - 47%
Jaime - 48%
Alexa - 45%
Jordan - 56% (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

I knew MeMe was a bricklayer coming in, but the other guards had high shooting percentages...until they got to college.

I think that the incoming players will play like freshmen next year, and it's probably unrealistic to think they will hit the ground running. Maybe Evina might have a Stricklen-esque freshman year, and Davis can be her Glory, but I expect very little from Hayes and KK from the get go.

LasVegasBill23 said:
I don't think players could be rated as high as Nared, Mercedes, Diamond if they could not shoot in high school.... that is my guess ... that to be ranked so high you have no glaring holes in your game...
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Exactly. Those three were as highly regarded as they get when it comes to HS players. That's why I don't expect everyone from this incoming class to make an immediate impact, especially if Diamond and Mercedes come back. If they don't, then there's a big opportunity for Evina or Davis to have a breakout season.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
High school rankings are only as good as the district they are in. I had a girl in Atlanta, Amber, 5'9", who I coached for two years. She was in the top ten in 7 statistical categories in Decatur GA. A suburb of Atlanta (within the perimeter).

I went to see several of Amber's HS games. . . . She SHOULD,, have been top ten in "8" Categories!

:ermm:
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I look at the national rankings, in this case Hoopgurlz... these are not measured locally, but juxtaposed with all others around the country.

If hoopgurlz was ranking your atlanta player they wouldn't rank her vs others only in her district true?
 
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Amb3096 said:
According to MaxPreps, the HS career shooting percentages for current players was:

Te'a - 47%
Jaime - 48%
Alexa - 45%
Jordan - 56% (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

I knew MeMe was a bricklayer coming in, but the other guards had high shooting percentages...until they got to college.

I think that the incoming players will play like freshmen next year, and it's probably unrealistic to think they will hit the ground running. Maybe Evina might have a Stricklen-esque freshman year, and Davis can be her Glory, but I expect very little from Hayes and KK from the get go.



Exactly. Those three were as highly regarded as they get when it comes to HS players. That's why I don't expect everyone from this incoming class to make an immediate impact, especially if Diamond and Mercedes come back. If they don't, then there's a big opportunity for Evina or Davis to have a breakout season.
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Yes, point well taken on the freshmen coming in.... it is a big adjustment to play college ball coming from HS.... it does take some time.... unless teams are in the moment needing to push them into the lineup, in which case it is a crap shoot as to who will flourish.... Freshmen need time to acclimate and adjust to the system their team subscribes to
 
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Amb3096 said:
The officiating was the difference between a win and a loss tonight. The game was very much called in Tennessee's favor. With the rebounding and shooting about even, the difference was Tennessee's huge free throw advantage. Even the deepest orange-tinted glasses could see that the refs gave Tennessee a huge gift tonight.
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You have got to be kidding me. LV's got some calls in the 4th, but the first three quarters were heavily favored toward Florida. Seems like the officials got tired of calling traveling on Fla and just quit. Same with over the backs. A good number of the tie ups were out and out fouls.
 
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Slydell said:
You have got to be kidding me. LV's got some calls in the 4th, but the first three quarters were heavily favored toward Florida. Seems like the officials got tired of calling traveling on Fla and just quit. Same with over the backs. A good number of the tie ups were out and out fouls.
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officiating is just bad all around,I don't think it is against a team, there just bad
 
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Slydell said:
You have got to be kidding me. LV's got some calls in the 4th, but the first three quarters were heavily favored toward Florida. Seems like the officials got tired of calling traveling on Fla and just quit. Same with over the backs. A good number of the tie ups were out and out fouls.
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Were you at the game, Sly? I was beginning to wonder if I had somehow wandered into the wrong arena and only thought I was watching Lady Vols vs Fla (insert Twilight Zone musuc):).

We saw a lot over the back, pushes, elbows, even some body blows...most against DD when she first came in. I think it was an attempt to intimidate her after her injury. And are you ever right about the "tie ups"; a few of them had our girl's head tied up as well the ball!

The Fl team got away with an awful lot. One time they pushed our girl (Kort?) out under the end zone and the ref called oob on her. They showed the replay and you could see the two body shoves to push her out but....out on us:ermm:.

The game looks different when you are there. Able to see more of the "whole game" and not just what the cameraman decides to shoot.
 
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Slydell said:
You have got to be kidding me. LV's got some calls in the 4th, but the first three quarters were heavily favored toward Florida. Seems like the officials got tired of calling traveling on Fla and just quit. Same with over the backs. A good number of the tie ups were out and out fouls.
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22 fouls for Florida. 8 fouls for Tennessee.

6 FTA (4 makes) for Florida. 28 FTA (20 makes) for Tennessee. That's plus 16 points for Tennessee from the line in a 4 point game.

And you're going to complain about refs? Give me a break.

They rewarded Tennessee's aggression on one end, but didn't call the game the same way for Florida. They let Tennessee get away with a lot of contact on Florida's drives, but called Florida for fouls on the other end. That was obvious to anyone who was watching, and the stats back that up.

Give me a break.
 
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Amb3096 said:
22 fouls for Florida. 8 fouls for Tennessee.

6 FTA (4 makes) for Florida. 28 FTA (20 makes) for Tennessee. That's plus 16 points for Tennessee from the line in a 4 point game.

And you're going to complain about refs? Give me a break.

They rewarded Tennessee's aggression on one end, but didn't call the game the same way for Florida. They let Tennessee get away with a lot of contact on Florida's drives, but called Florida for fouls on the other end. That was obvious to anyone who was watching, and the stats back that up.

Give me a break.
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What was the foul total for both teams in the first half?
 
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LasVegasBill23 said:
I don't think players could be rated as high as Nared, Mercedes, Diamond if they could not shoot in high school.... that is my guess ... that to be ranked so high you have no glaring holes in your game...

And shooting, refining your shot, can certainly be coached. There are many examples of players who come from high school and spend many hours practicing their shot with the help of coaching staff. It is not a death sentence if players are recruited who do not have the best shot.
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Nared shot about 43 percent in high school and 27 percent from the three. She was a massive scorer for her team but she took about half the shots.
No stats on Diamond's high school shooting I know that Cooper was in at 52 but only 30 from the three again a person that took half the shots for her team.
 
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Amb3096 said:
According to MaxPreps, the HS career shooting percentages for current players was:

Te'a - 47%
Jaime - 48%
Alexa - 45%
Jordan - 56% (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

I knew MeMe was a bricklayer coming in, but the other guards had high shooting percentages...until they got to college.

I think that the incoming players will play like freshmen next year, and it's probably unrealistic to think they will hit the ground running. Maybe Evina might have a Stricklen-esque freshman year, and Davis can be her Glory, but I expect very little from Hayes and KK from the get go.



Exactly. Those three were as highly regarded as they get when it comes to HS players. That's why I don't expect everyone from this incoming class to make an immediate impact, especially if Diamond and Mercedes come back. If they don't, then there's a big opportunity for Evina or Davis to have a breakout season.
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Russell, Nared, and Diamond put up 26 points and 20 rebounds in 60 minutes as freshmen. If we get that out of Westbrooks, Davis, and Hayes it will far exceed the total we got out of Dunbar, Reynolds, and Jackson this season getting much more playing time.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Russell, Nared, and Diamond put up 26 points and 20 rebounds in 60 minutes as freshmen. If we get that out of Westbrooks, Davis, and Hayes it will far exceed the total we got out of Dunbar, Reynolds, and Jackson this season getting much more playing time.
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That's also heavily skewed by Diamond's numbers, who was the NFOY before she came to Tennessee.

Russell - 6.3 pts, 4.97 rbs
Nared - 5.2 pts, 3.53 rbs

Those are more realistic numbers for freshmen, unless they get a lot of minutes and are the team's go-to player. Assuming MR and DD stay, then the freshmen will all probably be getting 15 min or less per game.
 
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Amb3096 said:
That's also heavily skewed by Diamond's numbers, who was the NFOY before she came to Tennessee.

Russell - 6.3 pts, 4.97 rbs
Nared - 5.2 pts, 3.53 rbs

Those are more realistic numbers for freshmen, unless they get a lot of minutes and are the team's go-to player. Assuming MR and DD stay, then the freshmen will all probably be getting 15 min or less per game.
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I agree with you on expectations of incoming Freshmen. What do you think happens in 2018 when we have four Sophomores starting and Harris and MEME as the only veteran substitutes ? Plus Jasmine and Collins (Freasmen) ?? 🤔
 
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PRG said:
I agree with you on expectations of incoming Freshmen. What do you think happens in 2018 when we have four Sophomores starting and Harris and MEME as the only veteran substitutes ? Plus Jasmine and Collins (Freasmen) ?? 🤔
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Don't forget about Te'a and Cheridene. Those two, along with Davis and Evina, will likely be starters. Maybe KK might be ready start by her sophomore year.

Hayes, Massengill, and Jackson provide depth at the G spot. That's a pretty solid rotation, and I don't think they need any additional players at these spots.

Collins provides depth at the post. They could use one more quality big to take over for Cheridene the following year. Harris should improve enough to provide a meaningful 10 minutes or so as a junior if needed. She's got a great basketball body. She just needs to put in the work on her fundamentals.

That leaves a needed backup for Davis at the wing. Balogun would fit here, but I wouldn't blame her if she wanted to go someplace that offered more minutes.
 
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Amb3096 said:
That's also heavily skewed by Diamond's numbers, who was the NFOY before she came to Tennessee.

Russell - 6.3 pts, 4.97 rbs
Nared - 5.2 pts, 3.53 rbs

Those are more realistic numbers for freshmen, unless they get a lot of minutes and are the team's go-to player. Assuming MR and DD stay, then the freshmen will all probably be getting 15 min or less per game.
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Nared 15 and Russell 18 only play 33 minutes together. So 32 minutes a game would be about 13 ppg and 8 rebounds for Russell and Nared would have about 11 ppg and 7 rebounds or 24 and 15 playing normal starting minutes. Diamond played normal minutes so you add her totals and you get 40 ppg and 20 rebounds for the three.
 
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We only have three productive players coming back and one semi productive players. I think we'll see 50 or 60 minutes out of Davis, Westbrooks, and Hayes.
 
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