Fast Break Offense?

#26
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(oklavol @ Apr 6 said:
Cutcliffe apparently told the new wr recruit that UT plans to throw the ball 40-50 times a game this year.
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Here's a quote by new commit Todd Campbell on Coach Cut:

"I’m really excited about him," the 6-foot-1, 185-pound Campbell said. "I know he’s going to put the ball in the air at least 50 times, at least he said he would. I know he’s a man of his word.

"They’re also going to spread the field (with multiple wide receiver sets) and that will give me a chance to play early."
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#27
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(utvolpj @ Apr 6 said:
Here's a quote by new commit Todd Campbell on Coach Cut:
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Thanks. That what I was trying to say. The fast break offense concept appears to be lots of wr's and passing attempts.
 
#28
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(VOLracerx @ Apr 6 said:
About the UGA thing - they only appeared to run more. When Shockley couldn't find an open reciever he took off or dumped it short, they pounded away but who wouldn't with that backfiled and OL. when you look at UGA the thing that saved them was their ability to make the pass effective when it HAD to be there.
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Thats what I'm trying to say about UT. With our running back wouldnt UT want to do the same thing? Run the ball.
 
#29
#29
If there's one thing Cutcliffe has shown, it's that he can adapt. With Heath Shuler we threw it a lot, but actually ran some option. With Peyton Manning, we basically became a hybrid run and shoot type offense. Then with Tee Martin we went back to more of the I formation.
 
#30
#30
I have to admit, I am concerned about 3 picks thrown in last weeks scrimmage.That said, I feel pretty confident in Cut's ability to right the wrong with our offense. I'd like to see running and passing split. Fast break, whatever we need to regain our status.
 
#31
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(utfantilidie @ Apr 6 said:
I have to admit, I am concerned about 3 picks thrown in last weeks scrimmage.
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Our secondary is the best part of our defense this year. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
 
#32
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(GAVol @ Apr 6 said:
If there's one thing Cutcliffe has shown, it's that he can adapt. With Heath Shuler we threw it a lot, but actually ran some option. With Peyton Manning, we basically became a hybrid run and shoot type offense. Then with Tee Martin we went back to more of the I formation.
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But look at those names. All were great CFB players. Two were 2nd in the Heisman (if you trust that thing) and Tee had been in the program forever. Not to mention they were playing with tons of NFL talent. I am just not sure he has the talent to expect that kind of turn-around.
 
#33
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(utvolpj @ Apr 6 said:
But look at those names. All were great CFB players. Two were 2nd in the Heisman (if you trust that thing) and Tee had been in the program forever. Not to mention they were playing with tons of NFL talent. I am just not sure he has the talent to expect that kind of turn-around.
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I wasn't really commenting on talent levels, just saying that depending on the personnel, Cutcliffe has shown himself to be adaptable. I don't think he's automatically going to trot 5 receivers onto the field unless we show that we are competent enough at QB to make the reads and get the ball to the right guy.
 
#34
#34
This is some good ish. All this talk about football is getting me hyped! Remember guys we still have the whole summer to go before we start the season so I'm sure Cut will have the troops in place. Remember Rome wasn't built in a day. :thumbsup:
 
#35
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(utvolpj @ Apr 6 said:
But look at those names. All were great CFB players. Two were 2nd in the Heisman (if you trust that thing) and Tee had been in the program forever. Not to mention they were playing with tons of NFL talent. I am just not sure he has the talent to expect that kind of turn-around.
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This is how I also feel. I would love the fast break offense with 3 and 4 wr's if we had the right personnel to run it. It would be a great change. But with UT's wr's and qb, it doesn't seem like a good direction to go in.
 
#36
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(oklavol @ Apr 6 said:
I think UT is screwed then. Ainge and the wr's look like they did last year. At least last year, when Foster was running the ball we had some offensive prodution.

I thought Ga demonstrated pretty well you could win the sec east running the ball the majority of the time, and throwing it occasionally to the tight end.

We threw the ball half or more then half the time last year. I think UT showed pretty well you couldnt finish close to last throwing the ball half the time. With our wr and qb throwing the ball more then we did last year is not a good fix in my opinion.

This thread was really about the idea of throwing the ball more then we did last year (fast break offense), where I thought the offense should focus on running the ball more, since Foster was the only effective part of the offense last year.
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I understand what you are saying, but I don't care if you had A Peterson back there you are not going to win in the SEC by JUST being able to run the ball. As far as GA goes they had a very effective runner at QB and UT does not have a Leonard Pope.
 
#37
#37
If we throw the ball 40-50 times a game this season, then I will have to make the assumption that somehow the Ole Miss gig made Cutcliffe crazy.

Has Cut placed a higher priority on proving that Ainge's lackluster season was just a sophomore slump, than on actually putting together a plan to win games???
 
#38
#38
I don't think that there is anything to worry about at this point. The offense has been pretty beat up this spring with alot of guys out. I don't think you can take anything away from from these scrimmages so far. The offense hasn't been able to run the football effectively with the running backs out and some key offensive lineman. When you have key lineman out it will make for alot of mistakes up front. Missed blocking assignments that cause gaps to be exposed and for qbs to be sacked. When Foster and some of the guys like Sears get back healthy I believe you will see a better running game that can be feared and good pass protection to get the ball down the field. We've all seen it before a good running game will open up the pass. That is something that we haven't had so far this spring so the defensive backs and linebackers are keying on the pass and when that happens there will be alot of mistakes. I know the recievers have had some problems dropping passes but we do have some playmakers out there. From what I have read this team is determined not to let this season get out of hand like the last one. There is enough talent on that offense and this team that UT can compete with anyone in the country. Give Coach Cut time to get these guys used to the system and I believe we will see a big change in our vols this year.
 
#39
#39
I think that everyone is blowing this fast break offense thing out of proportion. Besides, all I've heard on here from some was that they were tired of the same old UT offense and how Fulmer and company won't change anything. Then when they mention something a little different, the same ones freak out about it.
 
#40
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Apr 6 said:
I think that everyone is blowing this fast break offense thing out of proportion. Besides, all I've heard on here from some was that they were tired of the same old UT offense and how Fulmer and company won't change anything. Then when they mention something a little different, the same ones freak out about it.
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That's what I was thinking......we go from "we never do anything different and need to spread the field" to "we need to just run the ball"
 
#41
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(holdemvol @ Apr 6 said:
That's what I was thinking......we go from "we never do anything different and need to spread the field" to "we need to just run the ball"
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I wasn't saying that we need to just run the football I was saying that we need to give it time and I believe this system will work. I agree with you. I don't know if you were talking about my post or not so I just thought I would put that in.
 
#42
#42
yeah, but i understand the feelings...esp. from you read about right now....right now, throwing the ball and spread formations don't sound too good. right now, our top 3 rb's have 0 carries in spring...

i think everyone's just tired of all the questions that have yet to be answered...and truthfully, probably won't til they step on the feild in a live game situation....unitl then indecisiveness, uneasiness rule the day.
 
#43
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(holdemvol @ Apr 6 said:
That's what I was thinking......we go from "we never do anything different and need to spread the field" to "we need to just run the ball"
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Who said anything about using the same running plays as last year? everyone would wecome any kind of new trap play or running play anyone wants to introduce. Formations with one and 2 tight ends would be a nice change as well.

I'm just not sure that having a QB who completed 45% of his passes last year, throw the ball 50 times a game is the right direction. UT had some modest success running the ball last year with Foster. He had over 200 yds a couple of games. I don't think Ainge had any big games where he threw 300 yds last year.

I've alreay said the fast break offense concept is great if we had the right personnel to run it. I'm just not sure with UT's current QB and WR's can make that kind of offense work.
 
#44
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(oklavol @ Apr 6 said:
I've alreay said the fast break offense concept is great if we had the right personnel to run it. I'm just not sure with UT's current QB and WR's can make that kind of offense work.
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And if that comes to pass, i'd be hard pressed to think that Cut is going to put a system in place we're not capable of running....
 
#45
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(Orangewhiteblood @ Apr 6 said:
I think that everyone is blowing this fast break offense thing out of proportion. Besides, all I've heard on here from some was that they were tired of the same old UT offense and how Fulmer and company won't change anything. Then when they mention something a little different, the same ones freak out about it.
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You came out of your teepee to say that?
 
#46
#46
(oklavol @ Apr 6 said:
I've alreay said the fast break offense concept is great if we had the right personnel to run it. I'm just not sure with UT's current QB and WR's can make that kind of offense work.
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I get what you are saying, I guess I am just trying to point out that just being a running team is not going to get you anything more than 7 wins (if your lucky) in the SEC. UT has to have an somewhat effective passing game to even think about being a contender. Maybe it is not going to happen but I think Ainge will be better (he can't get any worse than last year's debacle) and I think even with Swain, Meach, and Smith struggling we still have some hope with the younger WR's.
 
#47
#47
There is no doubt that we have to be somewhat effective in the passing game. I am all for around 20 attempts per game. There is a big difference between being somewhat effective in the passing game and turning into Hawaii, TT, Kentucky, etc.

Passing the ball 40-50 times per game, even with the best QBs and WRs, is, and always will be, high risk high reward. However, having a balanced attack, loaded with at least 3 quality RBs (heard Cut and Fulmer saying great things about Yancey on 990,) and using the passing game to keep defenses honest, is an approach that lends itself to consistent positive results.

Would you rather grind out 9-11 wins a season on the ground? Or would you rather blow out 6-8 of your opponenets and get blown out by the other 4-5???
 
#50
#50
pass to setup the run instead of run to setup the pass

is this the new college offense?
 
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