FBI Thread

[AM64]

Once again ... Russia hacked the damn DNC ... the agents responsible have been identified - and one has even confessed to doing it ... and is in jail. Good lord.

If true, all that proves is DNC cybersecurity is inept - par for the course with dems. It should be assumed that Russia, China, and others are always looking for backdoors to information; there's nothing to say they are doing it to sell to one entity's rival. It's just the way they roll. Looking at DNC strategy and corruptness is a way of dealing with dems if they won the election - both strategy, and blackmail on " dem strategy".

 

[BowlBrother85]

The crimes their colleagues led?

Crimes such as seditious conspiracy, that four members of The Proud Boys were convicted of 2 weeks ago.

 

[Orangeburst]

If true, all that proves is DNC cybersecurity is inept - par for the course with dems. It should be assumed that Russia, China, and others are always looking for backdoors to information; there's nothing to say they are doing it to sell to one entity's rival. It's just the way they roll. Looking at DNC strategy and corruptness is a way of dealing with dems if they won the election - both strategy, and blackmail on " dem strategy".

Come on 64..they have excellent cybersecurity..bleachbit and hammers.

 

[AM64]

At least two of them were paid ... by a former aide to Donald Trump. This is going nowhere.

That sounds a lot like "victims" should never accept funds from Go Fund Me or the like because someone might show later they took a bribe. Better hope nobody takes a deep dive into campaign contributions. Maybe whistleblowers should cash in on the NIL concept that sports is loving so well right now.

 

[AM64]

Damn ... I guess he'll have to bag those plans for vacationing in Siberia this summer.

Not so fast. Talk to Ras; he might be able to swing a visa for you. On the other hand, your stay might be longer than you planned, so if you have anything scheduled ...

 

[AM64]

What a ridiculous thing to say, that it's a building. It was also Congress in session so it was purposeful interference with one of the three primary arms of our government. To dismiss that as unimportant shows you don't even know what being a patriot is.

And your arguments show a hate based on no factual basis. You don't love this country. You're a hater and that's all you are.

If you are trying to petition government - specifically the people who presumably make a difference, would you loot and burn the streets of cities all the way on the other side of the country or try to address the legislators - the ones in hiding from people with no weapons?

 

[AM64]

Dude, the NSC has to have paper pushers. There are a lot of places they stick officers incapable of command.

You want to hear a rich story about someone falling up. Alexander Butterfield of Watergate tape recording fame was an AF Captain at McGhee-Tyson in 1957 - a Flight Commander at the time flying F-86Ds. I almost never heard my dad speak ill of another person, but he absolutely did not like Butterfield. They were both captains at the time and in no way competitors (different squadrons to begin with); I think my dad just didn't like self promoters.

 

[BowlBrother85]

If you are trying to petition government - specifically the people who presumably make a difference, would you loot and burn the streets of cities all the way on the other side of the country or try to address the legislators - the ones in hiding from people with no weapons?

One of the most frequently repeated falsehoods concerning the Capitol breach of January 6, 2021 is that none of the rioters had weapons.

Indiana Man Pleads Guilty to Carrying a Gun and Assaulting Law Enforcement Officers in Jan. 6 Capitol Breach

From the United States Department of Justice :

"Mark Andrew Mazza, 57, of Shelbyville, Indiana, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers with a dangerous weapon and carrying a pistol without a license.

According to court documents, Mazza brought a Taurus revolver, loaded with three shotgun shells and two hollow point bullets, into the Ellipse, and then to the Capitol ...."

^^^^ .... and no, this wasn't the only one. ^^^^

 

[NCFisher]

Trump is a liar, who clearly was trying to use the powers of the presidency to extract revenge against his opponents and critics. Less than a month before the election, Trump was pressuring his Attorney General to arrest his opponent ... That is something out of a banana republic. You defend him for it, because you are a hyper-partisan, right-wing crackpot.

Something out of a banana republic would be the AG doing it. Unlike Garland, that didn't occur, did it?

Biden is in office because the bureaucracy ran interference for him by burying the laptop & business dealings story, aided & abetted by 'news' and social media companies. Ditto with Biden's threatening to withhold aid in exchange for firing prosecutor Shokin who has sworn testimony that interviewing Hunter/Burisma was on his docket.

I defend his right to ask the AG why he has Biden's laptop for a year prior to election, knows it's provenance, and sits on it while it's being cast by CIA officials as Russian disinfo, and FBI is coercing that narrative via tech media. You won't think it hyper-partisan crackpottery when the shoe is on the other foot and I'm the one still pointing out it's illegal, jackass.

 

[AM64]

One of the most frequently repeated falsehoods concerning the Capitol breach of January 6, 2021 is that none of the rioters had weapons.

Indiana Man Pleads Guilty to Carrying a Gun and Assaulting Law Enforcement Officers in Jan. 6 Capitol Breach

From the United States Department of Justice :

"Mark Andrew Mazza, 57, of Shelbyville, Indiana, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers with a dangerous weapon and carrying a pistol without a license.

According to court documents, Mazza brought a Taurus revolver, loaded with three shotgun shells and two hollow point bullets, into the Ellipse, and then to the Capitol ...."

^^^^ .... and no, this wasn't the only one. ^^^^

You left out a couple of details.

Sometime on U.S. Capitol grounds before 2:45 p.m., Mazza lost possession of the revolver. Mazza illegally made his way to the Lower West Terrace and a tunnel area with doors leading into the Capitol Building. He joined in a collective effort of rioters to push through at least 20 officers who were defending the tunnel entrance. At approximately 3:13 p.m., Mazza moved to the front of the tunnel line, next to the first set of doors

Appears he didn't have the weapon with him when he entered the Capitol, and I'm pretty sure I've read none of the other "insurrectionists" had a weapon inside the Capitol either. Well, there was the guy with the evil cable ties.

 

[BowlBrother85]

You left out a couple of details.



Appears he didn't have the weapon with him when he entered the Capitol, and I'm pretty sure I've read none of the other "insurrectionists" had a weapon inside the Capitol either. Well, there was the guy with the evil cable ties.

It isn't clear where he lost the gun ... but it was on Capitol grounds. He knew that could spell trouble for him too - hence, the filing of the false police report in Ohio two days later.

I'm pretty sure that I have read that there were several weapons taken into the Capitol during the riot, and I will be back with some links. This isn't going to go your way. I have posted these links many times before.

 

[BowlBrother85]

You left out a couple of details.



Appears he didn't have the weapon with him when he entered the Capitol, and I'm pretty sure I've read none of the other "insurrectionists" had a weapon inside the Capitol either. Well, there was the guy with the evil cable ties.

Do you care to explain this?

Capitol rioter armed with gun on Jan. 6 is found guilty on all charges

^^^^ Christopher Alberts had a gun on his hip when he charged up the stairs of the Capitol on Jan. 6, and he later yelled at police officers before he was arrested.

.... or this?

Most heavily armed Trump supporter at Capitol riot admits bringing Molotov cocktails

 

[AM64]

So you have one guy later arrested on the grounds carrying a gun, and another with explosive devices in his truck, but nothing showing either was inside the Capitol. Yes, it would be wrong of them to even have those on Capitol grounds, but you keep equating people on the grounds with people actually inside.

Christopher Alberts, of Maryland, was arrested with a weapon on the night of Jan. 6, 2021, after having spent several hours on the Capitol grounds. He was wearing a gas mask and a protective vest and had a backpack containing ready-to-eat meals and other materials, including bungee cords.

Two police officers noticed Coffman’s red pickup truck with Alabama licence plates parked nearby and saw the handle of a firearm on the front passenger seat, the affidavit states.

A search of the vehicle uncovered a cooler containing 11 Mason jars filled with gasoline, cloth rags and lighters – the components consistent with a homemade bomb that can create a napalm-like explosion.

Officers also found hundreds of rounds of ammunition, a loaded shotgun, loaded assault rifle, loaded revolver, a crossbow, several machetes and a stun gun.

Have to love articles that refer to "assault rifles" and "without a license" commentary.

 

[BowlBrother85]

So you have one guy later arrested on the grounds carrying a gun, and another with explosive devices in his truck, but nothing showing either was inside the Capitol. Yes, it would be wrong of them to even have those on Capitol grounds, but you keep equating people on the grounds with people actually inside.





Have to love articles that refer to "assault rifles" and "without a license" commentary.

That is wrong. Mark Mazza did enter the Capitol. It is not clear where he lost the gun ... but he knew that would be problematic for him, because two days later, he filed a false police report, in which he claimed that he had lost the gun in Ohio. This was done so he could claim that someone had stolen the gun and taken it to the Capitol.

Chris Alberts did enter the Capitol as well. You think he spent all day on Capitol grounds with a gas mask, and didn't enter the building? That is crazy. He was arrested outside of the Capitol with the gun on him .... does everything have to be spelled out for you? Jesus.

... and look, there are at least 10 more of these. Do I need to post more? Because I will.

 

[BowlBrother85]

So you have one guy later arrested on the grounds carrying a gun, and another with explosive devices in his truck, but nothing showing either was inside the Capitol. Yes, it would be wrong of them to even have those on Capitol grounds, but you keep equating people on the grounds with people actually inside.





Have to love articles that refer to "assault rifles" and "without a license" commentary.

Here is a video ....




From the 1:53 to the 2:23 mark, it is clearly said that Christopher Alberts was accused of taking a loaded handgun into the Capitol. You can't admit when you are wrong ... and you damn sure are.

 

[AM64]

I see all kinds of sensationalist articles by the anti-gun crowd, pictures of cases supposedly holding weapons in a hotel, and allegations/convictions of people having weapons on Capitol grounds. I also remember al the deaths attributed to the "rioters" ... the ones that all turned out to be unrelated except the one shot and killed by a Capitol cop. What I don't see is anything showing guns (other than those of the Capitol Police) in the Capitol. None of the articles you linked said the two guys in question were actually inside the Capitol; maybe they were, but I find it hard to believe that these "news" organizations would miss a chance to state that. And a Mother Jones story ... really.

Maybe we just don't read the same words and interpret them the same way, but I gotta tell you what I read here does not say Mark Mazza was ever in the Capitol. I'm definitely not a 1/6 junkie - can't recall bothering to read anything about it since the days immediately after until I read your links. It's over and done, and I don't really care like you and dems apparently do. Kinda weird when dems are suddenly believing and backing the cops, though.

Indiana Man Sentenced to 60 Months in Prison For Carrying a Gun and Assaulting Law Enforcement Officers in Jan. 6 Capitol Breach

 

[C-south]

One of the most frequently repeated falsehoods concerning the Capitol breach of January 6, 2021 is that none of the rioters had weapons.

Indiana Man Pleads Guilty to Carrying a Gun and Assaulting Law Enforcement Officers in Jan. 6 Capitol Breach

From the United States Department of Justice :

"Mark Andrew Mazza, 57, of Shelbyville, Indiana, pleaded guilty in the District of Columbia to assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers with a dangerous weapon and carrying a pistol without a license.

According to court documents, Mazza brought a Taurus revolver, loaded with three shotgun shells and two hollow point bullets, into the Ellipse, and then to the Capitol ...."

^^^^ .... and no, this wasn't the only one. ^^^^

Imagine if thousands did like the forefathers envisioned.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I see all kinds of sensationalist articles by the anti-gun crowd, pictures of cases supposedly holding weapons in a hotel, and allegations/convictions of people having weapons on Capitol grounds. I also remember al the deaths attributed to the "rioters" ... the ones that all turned out to be unrelated except the one shot and killed by a Capitol cop. What I don't see is anything showing guns (other than those of the Capitol Police) in the Capitol. None of the articles you linked said the two guys in question were actually inside the Capitol; maybe they were, but I find it hard to believe that these "news" organizations would miss a chance to state that. And a Mother Jones story ... really.

Maybe we just don't read the same words and interpret them the same way, but I gotta tell you what I read here does not say Mark Mazza was ever in the Capitol. I'm definitely not a 1/6 junkie - can't recall bothering to read anything about it since the days immediately after until I read your links. It's over and done, and I don't really care like you and dems apparently do. Kinda weird when dems are suddenly believing and backing the cops, though.

Indiana Man Sentenced to 60 Months in Prison For Carrying a Gun and Assaulting Law Enforcement Officers in Jan. 6 Capitol Breach

For one thing, you are acting as though that makes a difference .... but it doesn't. Firearms are prohibited on Capitol grounds by civilians.

However, it is said that Mark Mazza went into the Capitol during the January 6th riot. It is not known where he lost the gun. He had a consciousness of guilt over it, because he filed a police report on January 8, 2021, which claimed that his gun had been lost in Ohio.

The video of Christopher Roberts also states that he went inside the Capitol and was then arrested later. Did he place the gun down outside of the Capitol ... and then retrieve it later? Highly unlikely

Watch the YouTube video!!!!

 

[WBO]

Imagine if thousands did like the forefathers envisioned.

Please explain what you mean when you say "the forefathers envisioned?"

This should be good. FYI, please make sure you have read the portions of the Federalists Papers regarding the 2nd Amendment if you intend to talk about it as part of their intentions.

 

[Majors]

Come on 64..they have excellent cybersecurity..bleachbit and hammers.

The fact the left dismisses this shows how far they’ll go to believe they are the good guys. While right in front of them is the corruption of their own party.

 

[WBO]

If you are trying to petition government - specifically the people who presumably make a difference, would you loot and burn the streets of cities all the way on the other side of the country or try to address the legislators - the ones in hiding from people with no weapons?

The no weapons argument is being debunked in another string.

Me, I would contact my representative's office and find out where and when he is available to constituents. I would make an appointment to then see his chief of staff to arrange to present my grievances. Pretty much every member of the House conducts regular town halls and constituents are given opportunities to speak to in public, and often in private, if you bother to communicate in advance what you wish to discuss. Your prior communications do most of the work because the Representative can have his/her staff analyze the issue prior to your meeting. He will then spend 5 minutes or so with you explaining their decision to help or not help. Some of the firebrands don't do it, but the vast majority do.

I understand that is unsatisfying to those who want to hang the traitors, but it actually works.

I would not desecrate the Capitol and I would not assault law enforcement in the performance of their duties.

 

[vols40]

You are accepting these men as being nothing short of completely innocent victims of a political persecution.

If they were assigned duties, which involved investigating crimes committed at the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, and they refused to perform those duties, shouldn't the FBI have the option of disciplining them ... up to and including dismissal? You are making what is likely a complicated set of circumstances seem black and white.

You have only their perspective at this point ... and yet, you are fully accepting it without scrutiny.

One of these men was awarded employee of the year awards so no my first inclination is not to immediately fire them because of their political views. You (not me) have gone on record many times as the government is to be trusted (when run by democrats) at all times with zero questions. Especially when it's involves the highly questionable behavior of the higher ups of the FBI. You have zero problem when that DOJ raids a former presidents home but hides the fact that months passed even an election passed before revealing the same behavior by the current president. So spare us your sanctimonious BS in making us believe you give one f about doing the right thing. This nonsense and your logic on this rivals that of POS who feel Ashli Babbot got what she had coming to her. But just remember you reap what you sew what comes around goes around. And get ready to STFU during the next republican administration when you start screaming persecution of your political opponents. Because at this point it doesn't matter.

One final question please answer how many crimes were committed on capital grounds on J6 by federal officials/undercover agents?

 

[vols40]

Once again ... Russia hacked the damn DNC ... the agents responsible have been identified - and one has even confessed to doing it ... and is in jail. Good lord.

It's also been proven that the same Russia tried hacking the RNC but the RNC were smart enough to stave it off. Don't be mad at us that your side is incompetent.

 

[Orangeburst]

You want to hear a rich story about someone falling up. Alexander Butterfield of Watergate tape recording fame was an AF Captain at McGhee-Tyson in 1957 - a Flight Commander at the time flying F-86Ds. I almost never heard my dad speak ill of another person, but he absolutely did not like Butterfield. They were both captains at the time and in no way competitors (different squadrons to begin with); I think my dad just didn't like self promoters.

A bad influence for kids as well

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]