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Also, if these men are true whistleblowers, then why did they wait until AFTER they had been punished for refusing to investigate crimes committed by January 6th rioters (selective law enforcement) to accuse their FBI superiors of the exact same thing ????

There is retaliation at work here, but it's not in the direction that the right-wing echo chamber on this forum wants to believe. These men have claimed "whistleblower" status as a means of exacting revenge on the people who disciplined them for refusing to investigate the Capitol rioters. They have sour grapes.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Also, if these men are true whistleblowers, then why did they wait until AFTER they had been punished for refusing to investigate crimes committed by January 6th rioters (selective law enforcement) to accuse their FBI superiors of the exact same thing ????

There is retaliation at work here, but it's not in the direction that the right-wing echo chamber on this forum wants to believe. These men have claimed "whistleblower" status as a means of exacting revenge on the people who disciplined them for refusing to investigate the Capitol rioters. They have sour grapes.
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lol. Yea. Maybe they should’ve toed the line and led the selfie “insurrection”.
 
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C-south said:
lol. Yea. Maybe they should’ve toed the line and led the selfie “insurrection”.
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If they wanted to keep their jobs, they should have abided by the terms of their employment contracts, and assisted in the investigation of the Proud Boys, as they had been directed to do by their superiors. They allowed their own political ideologies to influence their job performance. That's ironic, since it's the same thing they are accusing their superiors of.

How convenient that is. This has sour grapes written all over it.

Cite a job where an employee can refuse an assignment from a superior, which falls directly within their contractual job description, and face no consequences for it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If they wanted to keep their jobs, they should have abided by the terms of their employment contracts, and assisted in the investigation of the Proud Boys, as they had been directed to do by their superiors. They allowed their own political ideologies to influence their job performance. That's ironic, since it's the same thing they are accusing their superiors of. How convenient. This has sour grapes written all over it.

Cite a job where an employee can refuse an assignment from a superior, which falls directly within their contractual job description, and face no consequences for it.
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Anyone can refuse to do anything that violates the law. Just like in the military you don’t have to follow lawless orders. Reporting those violations are suppose to be free of retribution.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is no proof that they were the victims of retribution.

They were disciplined for refusing to follow orders from their superiors, that involved performing job duties, which had been included in the employment contracts they signed when they were hired by the FBI. They were guilty of insubordination and dereliction of duty.

Essentially, they had done the exact same thing that they are now accusing their colleagues at the FBI of doing ...

They engaged in selective law enforcement, based on their own political partisanship, and the political affiliations and the political ideologies of the people under criminal investigation.

I'm not going to say that you are delusional ... but you are willfully ignorant.
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There were plenty of defendants at Nuremburg who followed orders. Where did that get them? Not all orders from superiors are proper - that's what whistleblower protections are supposed to be all about.

If not retribution, then exactly do you call stripping someone of his/her security clearance when that is a requirement of the job?
 
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C-south said:
Anyone can refuse to do anything that violates the law. Just like in the military you don’t have to follow lawless orders. Reporting those violations are suppose to be free of retribution.
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True.

In what way did asking these men to investigate crimes allegedly committed at the United States Capitol on January 6t, 2021 violate the law? It was their refusal to do this, which led to them being disciplined.

Per the timeline, there hasn't been any retribution. You guys are missing a huge point here. These men didn't come forward with their "whistleblower" allegations until AFTER an official review of their misconduct had already begun.
 
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AM64 said:
There were plenty of defendants at Nuremburg who followed orders. Where did that get them? Not all orders from superiors are proper - that's what whistleblower protections are supposed to be all about.
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Good lord, what an analogy to make.

Which part of their orders was illegal?

They were assigned with investigating possible crimes committed at the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021. The investigation of such crimes falls directly within the scope of their contractual job description.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Also, if these men are true whistleblowers, then why did they wait until AFTER they had been punished for refusing to investigate crimes committed by January 6th rioters (selective law enforcement) to accuse their FBI superiors of the exact same thing ????

There is retaliation at work here, but it's not in the direction that the right-wing echo chamber on this forum wants to believe. These men have claimed "whistleblower" status as a means of exacting revenge on the people who disciplined them for refusing to investigate the Capitol rioters. They have sour grapes.
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I thought you said there was no retribution earlier. Retribution = punishment.
 
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AM64 said:
I thought you said there was no retribution earlier. Retribution = punishment.
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They were punished for their insubordination and dereliction of duty .... They were not punished for "whistleblowing."

The timeline shows this to be true.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
True.

In what way did asking these men to investigate crimes allegedly committed at the United States Capitol on January 6t, 2021 violate the law? It was their refusal to do this, which led to them being disciplined.

Per the timeline, there hasn't been any retribution. You guys are missing a huge point here. These men didn't come forward with their "whistleblower" allegations until AFTER an official review of their misconduct had already begun.
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Don’t think this scenario involved all of the whistleblowers and it doesn’t matter even if it did. Did the FBI have “informants” lead those on Jan 6? Did the FBI send agents to stalk people in school board meeting parking lots labeling them by stickers they had in the mini van windows? All of these 3 letter agencies are politically motivated and corrupt as f***.
 
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C-south said:
Don’t think this scenario involved all of the whistleblowers and it doesn’t matter even if it did. Did the FBI have “informants” lead those on Jan 6? Did the FBI send agents to stalk people in school board meeting parking lots labeling them by stickers they had in the mini van windows? All of these 3 letter agencies are politically motivated and corrupt as f***.
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You are wildly speculating .... because you are sympathetic to them ... and that's fine.

However, there doesn't appear to be much defense for why they were refusing to participate in the investigations of people who can be seen on video clearly committing crimes.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You are wildly speculating .... because you are sympathetic to them ... and that's fine.

However, there doesn't appear to be much defense for why they were refusing to participate in the investigations of people who can be seen on video clearly committing crimes.
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Wtf are you taking about? The fbi leads these people in many of these instances along with capitol pilice holding the door for them. It’s almost like if not for entrapment there wouldn’t be any issues.
 
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C-south said:
Wtf are you taking about? The fbi leads these people in many of these instances along with capitol pilice holding the door for them. It’s almost like if not for entrapment there wouldn’t be any issues.
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You think having a door held open for them, gave them the right to do whatever the hell they wanted to do, once they were inside the Capitol ???? Including acts of vandalism ???? Nope. It doesn't work that way.
 
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C-south said:
Wtf are you taking about? The fbi leads these people in many of these instances along with capitol pilice holding the door for them. It’s almost like if not for entrapment there wouldn’t be any issues.
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... and what about the people who brought guns onto the Capitol grounds ??? They did not have to even go inside of the Capitol at all. Per the law, just having a firearm on the grounds is a crime - and since they brought the gun themselves, that would never constitute "entrapment." I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but there were people on January 6th, who were undeniably breaking the law.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
... and what about the people who brought guns onto the Capitol grounds ??? They did not have to even go inside of the Capitol at all. Per the law, just having a firearm on the grounds is a crime - and since they brought the gun themselves, that would never constitute "entrapment." I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but there were people on January 6th, who were undeniably breaking the law.
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Luckily we don’t do as our forefathers wanted us to do.
 
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