FBS Conference Realignment (updated breakdown)

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ukvols said:
I put in the Big Ten's new divisions.
At some point, the Sun Belt will make another run at having 12 teams.
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Looks like next season they'll have 13.

Western is leaving for CUSA, but they are picking up App. State and Georgia Southern next year in all sports and Idaho and New Mexico St. will join in football only.

So get ready for the Sun Belt Championship Game! To be seen by hundreds.
 
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Funny, I think by 2015 only the Big 12 will not have enough teams for a championship game.

SEC -14
B10 - 14
ACC - 14.5 (the .5 being Notre Dame)
P12 - 12
AAC - 12
MWC - 12
Sun Belt - 13

Of course by then who knows what other moves will have happened.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Still may see Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas and Texas Tech join the PAC-12/16
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I assume Texas is very happy with where it has landed. Got its TV network. Essentially runs its own conference. Still gets bigger slice of tv revenue pie from its conference (I think). No conference championship game hurdle to the BCS.

What is the attraction to join the Pac16 at this point?
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Still may see Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas and Texas Tech join the PAC-12/16
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Really doubt it. The Big 12, amazingly, righted the ship by working with the SEC. No one in that conference is going anywhere. The ACC is the weakest for the foreseeable future.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Looks like next season they'll have 13.

Western is leaving for CUSA, but they are picking up App. State and Georgia Southern next year in all sports and Idaho and New Mexico St. will join in football only.

So get ready for the Sun Belt Championship Game! To be seen by hundreds.
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The Sun Belt will have 11 teams. They have eight this season. So, after the movement you discussed, they'll have 11.
 
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sammyjoey said:
I assume Texas is very happy with where it has landed. Got its TV network. Essentially runs its own conference. Still gets bigger slice of tv revenue pie from its conference (I think). No conference championship game hurdle to the BCS.

What is the attraction to join the Pac16 at this point?
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I use to work with A&M and KU and had clients across Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas, so I'm a bit familiar with the situation. You are correct, Texas is running the conference and has a really lopsided TV deal. What I can see happening is that Oklahoma, OSU and Texas Tech opt for the PAC-15 and leave Texas without a conference unless they follow. I think the deal with Oklahoma, OSU and Tx Tech is a fairly short term lock up. Something like through 2015 or 2016. Then it's renegotiation time. TX will have to give more or follow.

A&M was split between going with the PAC-12 and SEC. Athletic department wanted SEC and academics wanted PAC-12. We all know who won that decision.
 
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bamawriter said:
Really doubt it. The Big 12, amazingly, righted the ship by working with the SEC. No one in that conference is going anywhere. The ACC is the weakest for the foreseeable future.
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I wouldn't be so sure. As long as the money in that conference remains significantly out of balance with TX getting the lions share, the conference isn't stable.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
I wouldn't be so sure. As long as the money in that conference remains significantly out of balance with TX getting the lions share, the conference isn't stable.
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The only school that could complain is OU, and they seem content. The others give in to Texas because they have to.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
I use to work with A&M and KU and had clients across Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas, so I'm a bit familiar with the situation. You are correct, Texas is running the conference and has a really lopsided TV deal. What I can see happening is that Oklahoma, OSU and Texas Tech opt for the PAC-15 and leave Texas without a conference unless they follow. I think the deal with Oklahoma, OSU and Tx Tech is a fairly short term lock up. Something like through 2015 or 2016. Then it's renegotiation time. TX will have to give more or follow.

A&M was split between going with the PAC-12 and SEC. Athletic department wanted SEC and academics wanted PAC-12. We all know who won that decision.
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GoDucks349 said:
I wouldn't be so sure. As long as the money in that conference remains significantly out of balance with TX getting the lions share, the conference isn't stable.
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The grant of rights was extended though to around the same time as the ACC's is set to expire (around 2024/2025-ish).

Big 12 extends rights deal, cementing future - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

Also, while Texas is making more than the rest, they all are making bigger slices of pie than they previously were since Fox and ESPN agreed not to lower the total amounts of their conference television deals despite the conference dropping down to 10 members. (It's why they claim such a large per team average when the numbers come out each season).


But the perhaps most important is two part...first, of all three of those schools, Oklahoma is the only one that actually wants to go to the pac-12. The powers that be at that school made their interest in the conference, its schools, and getting into LA/California fairly clear during the last realignment shift (Ok St and Texas Tech simply wanted to be where OU and Texas went...they were more tag-alongs rather than any sort of driving force in that deal)



Second, though, of those four schools being mentioned here, the only ones the pac-12 really, really wanted in that expansion was Texas, but their one insistence was that Texas share its Longhorn Network money across the league. Texas, who seemed as though they'd be fine with either conference, vehemently refused this. And without the Longhorns, the whole thing fell apart. The Pac-12 isn't going to invite the other three on their own without Texas, especially more or less on a bluff, and likewise OU, Ok St, and Tech (who wouldn't really band together that this) wouldn't be able to bluff/ attempt to (I'm lacking the correct term here, so I'll go with...) "blackmail" Texas into making a move when the Longhorns know the Pac-12 presidents aren't going to invite the three on their own (which last year's realignment clearly showed).

Texas would easily call them on that and win.








I am though curious to see something about the A&M wanted academically to go to the Pac-12 point. The proposed "A&M in the Pac-12" came from the first round of realignment (the one where the Big 12 added Nebraska, the year before A&M left for the SEC); it was part of the massive rumored "Colorado's going to the Pac-10 and bringing Texas and company with it" (Company being in this one deal Tech, OU, Ok St, and A&M) that came from OrangeBloods and Chip Brown...but I thought A&M was reportedly against that from the beginning (and the only ones; the school seemed like they were against that move from the get go)

The next year when they actually moved, the SEC was the only one of those two conferences that A&M was talking to, was it not?
 
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bamawriter said:
The only school that could complain is OU, and they seem content. The others give in to Texas because they have to.
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Well, and they're getting more money than they previously did, too, so it seems they're complaining less (if at all).


But yeah they also pretty much don't have any other options of where to go
 
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The purpose of the OP is to show what FBS football will look like after all announced changes have taken place. I just bumped the thread to show that UMass is leaving the MAC after the 2015 season, and The American has announced its divisions for when Navy becomes the 12th member for the 2015 season.
 
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ukvols said:
The purpose of the OP is to show what FBS football will look like after all announced changes have taken place. I just bumped the thread to show that UMass is leaving the MAC after the 2015 season, and The American has announced its divisions for when Navy becomes the 12th member for the 2015 season.
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AAC (12)
East: UCF, Cincinnati, UConn, East Carolina, South Florida, Temple
West: Houston, Memphis, Navy, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa

Navy in the west? Cincinnati would make so much more sense.
 
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Apparently UMass is being forced out because they declined to become full members. The original agreement stated if they were offered full membership and declined, they had to leave in 2 seasons.

My guess is behind the scenes they're lobbying to the AAC.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Apparently UMass is being forced out because they declined to become full members. The original agreement stated if they were offered full membership and declined, they had to leave in 2 seasons.

My guess is behind the scenes they're lobbying to the AAC.
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UMass put in an informal application to the Sun Belt as a football only member and were turned away. As bad as the AAC is, they're still a cut above the Sun Belt. I can't imagine that they'll give UMass too much thought.

UMass' big problem is that they want to maintain their membership in the A-10 while playing FBS football. They have no value as a football only commodity, so no one wants them around.
 
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bamawriter said:
UMass put in an informal application to the Sun Belt as a football only member and were turned away. As bad as the AAC is, they're still a cut above the Sun Belt. I can't imagine that they'll give UMass too much thought.

UMass' big problem is that they want to maintain their membership in the A-10 while playing FBS football. They have no value as a football only commodity, so no one wants them around.
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It seems odd the Sunbelt would accept Idaho and not UMASS. Isn't Idaho a football only member?
 
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UTwild82 said:
It seems odd the Sunbelt would accept Idaho and not UMASS. Isn't Idaho a football only member?
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Idaho is a bit of a weird outlier. But after the WAC fell apart, they had set up future scheduling agreements with multiple Sun Belt schools. So it worked out somewhat easily to simply change those scheduled matchups to conference games.

New Mexico St also joined as a football-only member for basically the same reasons as Idaho. But, as weird as it sounds, the average distance from NMSU to the other 10 Sun Belt schools is shorter than the average distance from UMass.
 
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bamawriter said:
Idaho is a bit of a weird outlier. But after the WAC fell apart, they had set up future scheduling agreements with multiple Sun Belt schools. So it worked out somewhat easily to simply change those scheduled matchups to conference games.

New Mexico St also joined as a football-only member for basically the same reasons as Idaho. But, as weird as it sounds, the average distance from NMSU to the other 10 Sun Belt schools is shorter than the average distance from UMass.
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Makes sense. Thanks for the info.
 
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Bumped and updated to reflect UAB.
I hated to do that, but I started this thread for a reason.
 
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