Fed-Up OSU Fans: (super interesting bits from WSJ)

[ursaminotaur]

I know this is behind a paywall but a couple highlights shocked me and I wanted to share. Maybe this animus actually will work in our favor after all:

- "There is now an entire graduating class who spent four years on campus without ever seeing Ohio State defeat Michigan. And many of them hold Day personally responsible."

- "Perry (Joshua Perry, a linebacker on Ohio State’s championship team in 2014) has spoken with alumni who say they don’t care if the Buckeyes win the title. To them, Perry said, losing to a mediocre Michigan squad “should be disqualifying.”

- "Maxx Crosby, a star defensive end for the Las Vegas Raiders that belongs to that camp...declared on a recent episode of his podcast that he won’t watch the Buckeyes again until they cut ties with Day, echoing a popular sentiment among a portion of particularly bloodthirsty OSU fans."

These people might be more insane than we are.

 

[volbound1700]

Social Media is making us think that Ohio State is a sinking ship. However, social media is rarely in touch with reality so we will see.

 

[Carl Pickens]

The OSU fan base is obviously spoiled. They’re deserving of some years of football purgatory

 

[UTodd01]

I don't understand this line of thinking:

If we lose to Florida every year but win the natty every time. I'm GOOD.

 

[Volanta]

I know this is behind a paywall but a couple highlights shocked me and I wanted to share. Maybe this animus actually will work in our favor after all:

- "There is now an entire graduating class who spent four years on campus without ever seeing Ohio State defeat Michigan. And many of them hold Day personally responsible."

- "Perry (Joshua Perry, a linebacker on Ohio State’s championship team in 2014) has spoken with alumni who say they don’t care if the Buckeyes win the title. To them, Perry said, losing to a mediocre Michigan squad “should be disqualifying.”

- "Maxx Crosby, a star defensive end for the Las Vegas Raiders that belongs to that camp...declared on a recent episode of his podcast that he won’t watch the Buckeyes again until they cut ties with Day, echoing a popular sentiment among a portion of particularly bloodthirsty OSU fans."

These people might be more insane than we are.

Wow these folks are nuts.

I hate losing to rivals too but if you told me “you’ll lose to your biggest rival but then win the natty,” I would take it!

To be a champion of life, I mean college football, is the goal!

 

[Volanta]

I don't understand this line of thinking:

If we lose to Florida every year but win the natty every time. I'm GOOD.

Exactly!

 

[UT97Vol]

The OSU fan base is obviously spoiled. They’re deserving of some years of football purgatory

Is this what happened to us?

 

[Milehigh_Vol]

Is this what happened to us?

During CPF yes, but I agreed at the time it was time to move on.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

It's this feeling that puts the "Michigan flag planting brawl" in perspective.

There's a hatred between these schools that's psycho and anything they can do to taunt the other school is acceptable.

There's a story that Woody Hayes was recruiting in Michigan and didn't want to buy gas in the state so they ran out of gas. He and his assistant supposedly pushed the car back to Ohio rather than buy gas there. Obviously, that could easily be urban legend, but the hatred is nuts up there.

 

[DaddyChad]

I don't understand this line of thinking:

If we lose to Florida every year but win the natty every time. I'm GOOD.

You’ll likely never understand. A lot of people have pure hatred for their rivals. Before national title games were even a thing you were measured on success against your rivals. A lot of that was bc you had to hear from those mofos for a whole year talk trash about how they beat you.

 

[volbound1700]

You’ll likely never understand. A lot of people have pure hatred for their rivals. Before national title games were even a thing you were measured on success against your rivals. A lot of that was bc you had to hear from those mofos for a whole year talk trash about how they beat you.

This is why most National Titles, prior to 1990s, are a mess. The really wasn't a serious effort there. Bowl Games were treated as just fun Exhibitions and sometimes half the team wouldn't even be there. It was only around the late 1970s/early 1980s were teams started putting more stock in their national ranking, bowl games, National Titles, etc. Even then, it took 10 or so years before we even got the Bowl Alliance (which was a mess) and then the BCS.

 

[DaddyChad]

Just think THE Ohio State paid 20 million for that roster, probably another 15 million in staff annual salary. Paid 35 million this year to get embarrassed at home by their rival.

 

[DaddyChad]

This is why most National Titles, prior to 1990s, are a mess. The really wasn't a serious effort there. Bowl Games were treated as just fun Exhibitions and sometimes half the team wouldn't even be there. It was only around the late 1970s/early 1980s were teams started putting more stock in their national ranking, bowl games, National Titles, etc. Even then, it took 10 or so years before we even got the Bowl Alliance (which was a mess) and then the BCS.

Pretty much. The entire offseason was preparation to beat a certain team. Success or failure was defined by that game. Scientists talk about cellular memory; I think it’s in the DNA of Vol fans to hate Bama bc that’s been passed down from generation to generation.

 

[bubbag]

Keep in mind that the media focuses exclusively on the more sensational takes. That's what gets hit. They control the narrative. Whether it's Tennessee or Ohio, media outlets are not going to write an article that showcases the feelings of fans who are sticking by their team, win or lose. They pick the juicy stuff and complaints and pass it off as the dominant position.

 

[volbound1700]

Pretty much. The entire offseason was preparation to beat a certain team. Success or failure was defined by that game. Scientists talk about cellular memory; I think it’s in the DNA of Vol fans to hate Bama bc that’s been passed down from generation to generation.

We don't have a rivalry like Michigan vs. Ohio State though for a variety of reasons. Now, I feel like Alabama vs Auburn is like that.

The closest, petty hate, that I have seen with Tennessee might be UConn in Women's Basketball. Florida was interesting when Spurrier and Fulmer were around as well.

Tennessee's issue is that our two regional rivals are not really on the same playing field, football-wise: Kentucky and Vanderbilt. If Kentucky or Vandy were basically the same as Tennessee in wins, fanbase support, history, etc., I think we would have a more heated rival.

Sure we got Alabama but Bama has Auburn and that will always be bigger for them. They cite that Auburn is their hated rivalry and Tennessee is their respected one. A lot of Bammers will claim us #1 because they played the series more but we just don't have the same level of hate like you have seen with other rivalries. Auburn and Alabama both fire their coaches if they don't beat each other. OU vs Texas and Texas vs Texas A&M is very heated. Florida and Georgia is very heated. The reason these rivalries work is that they are highly regional and the programs are fairly close to each other competitive-wise.

 

[DaddyChad]

Keep in mind that the media focuses exclusively on the more sensational takes. That's what gets hit. They control the narrative. Whether it's Tennessee or Ohio, media outlets are not going to write an article that showcases the feelings of fans who are sticking by their team, win or lose. They pick the juicy stuff and complaints and pass it off as the dominant position.

Media does that crap with everything. Why most coaches just say it’s outside noise and not to pay attention to it. I do think Day is sort of on the hot seat though if they don’t win this game. I don’t think they would fire him this year but damn he just couldn’t lose to Michigan next year or have a bad year.

 

[DaddyChad]

We don't have a rivalry like Michigan vs. Ohio State though for a variety of reasons. Now, I feel like Alabama vs Auburn is like that.

The closest, petty hate, that I have seen with Tennessee might be UConn in Women's Basketball. Florida was interesting when Spurrier and Fulmer were around as well.

Tennessee's issue is that our two regional rivals are not really on the same playing field, football-wise: Kentucky and Vanderbilt. If Kentucky or Vandy were basically the same as Tennessee in wins, fanbase support, history, etc., I think we would have a more heated rival.

Sure we got Alabama but Bama has Auburn and that will always be bigger for them. They cite that Auburn is their hated rivalry and Tennessee is their respected one. A lot of Bammers will claim us #1 because they played the series more but we just don't have the same level of hate like you have seen with other rivalries. Auburn and Alabama both fire their coaches if they don't beat each other. OU vs Texas and Texas vs Texas A&M is very heated. Florida and Georgia is very heated. The reason these rivalries work is that they are highly regional and the programs are fairly close to each other competitive-wise.

Bama Tennessee once was a much much bigger rivalry than it is now.

 

[UT97Vol]

Bama Tennessee once was a much much bigger rivalry than it is now.

And it is becoming so again. Bama had perhaps one of its best extended runs at the exact same time we had one of our longest droughts. This series has always been streaky but the dynamics of the past 15 years are over and behind us, especially now that Bama doesn’t have the savior anymore.

 

[Memphis Buckeye]

Wow these folks are nuts.

I hate losing to rivals too but if you told me “you’ll lose to your biggest rival but then win the natty,” I would take it!

To be a champion of life, I mean college football, is the goal!

I would take a national championship over a win against Michigan, but it's close. Even if we somehow win the CFP this year (unlikely considering the patchwork O-line), most of us will still feel sick about that 10-13 debacle.

 

[vavolfan6]

Watching Ryan Day walk around practically frozen and looking shell-shocked after the Michigan game with all the chaos going on told me all I needed to know. He is mentally checked out. No matter how these playoffs go, he is going to have to hear about losing to Michigan once again all offseason and is going to put his family through that again.

He simply is not locked in. Everything was put into one game and he failed once against a suubpar Michigan team. I could see him freezing up at the slightest form of adversity. I think he is resolved to whatever happens at this point and will just let things playout.

 

[Volfan76]

I know this is behind a paywall but a couple highlights shocked me and I wanted to share. Maybe this animus actually will work in our favor after all:

- "There is now an entire graduating class who spent four years on campus without ever seeing Ohio State defeat Michigan. And many of them hold Day personally responsible."

- "Perry (Joshua Perry, a linebacker on Ohio State’s championship team in 2014) has spoken with alumni who say they don’t care if the Buckeyes win the title. To them, Perry said, losing to a mediocre Michigan squad “should be disqualifying.”

- "Maxx Crosby, a star defensive end for the Las Vegas Raiders that belongs to that camp...declared on a recent episode of his podcast that he won’t watch the Buckeyes again until they cut ties with Day, echoing a popular sentiment among a portion of particularly bloodthirsty OSU fans."

These people might be more insane than we are.

Day really seems to let things get in his head. SEC is also in his head. OSU is 2-13 in bowl games vs SEC. We all saw what Missouri did to them last year.

 

[bubbag]

Media does that crap with everything. Why most coaches just say it’s outside noise and not to pay attention to it. I do think Day is sort of on the hot seat though if they don’t win this game. I don’t think they would fire him this year but damn he just couldn’t lose to Michigan next year or have a bad year.

Negativity sells. It always guarantees attention.

Day is on the hot seat but it's probably not as dire as the media is making it out to be. There are a couple of things he has on his side when it comes to job security. These two things are the hefty buyout and the current pool of coaching candidates. You can get upset and fire him. But then what ? Who is going to replace him that will guarantee better results ? The market isn't exactly flooded with quality candidates right now.

IMO, if Day loses this game, he isn't getting canned. What it will do is start some clandestine activity to send out feelers to potential candidates to see what options there are. Then if we are having the same discussion next season, you are in the position to make change. What a loss will do is put Day in the position of coaching for his job next season.

 

[bubbag]

Day really seems to let things get in his head. SEC is also in his head. OSU is 2-13 in bowl games vs SEC. We all saw what Missouri did to them last year.

This is the risk of hiring someone without HC experience to run a program like OSU. It's not about football acumen or X's and O's. Day has all that. He just has trouble dealing with the stress of the position and it is taking him longer to acclimate.

Being the HC of an elite program is nothing like being a coordinator. You have the weight of the entire program on your shoulders. Not everyone has a personality suitable for that type of role. Day is a great recruiter and a good offensive coordinator. He just has not handled the stress well. He looks like he has aged ten years. After the loss to Michigan, he was just staring blankly into the distance. When he gets stressed, he goes into a shell and plays to not lose instead of going for the jugular. IMO it was a mistake for him to take this kind of role this early in his career. Personally I do not think he is happy here in this role and if he could do it over, he would probably chose a different schedule or path to a HC role. He is wrapped too tight and he burned himself out.

 

[Hacksaw]

I would take a national championship over a win against Michigan, but it's close. Even if we somehow win the CFP this year (unlikely considering the patchwork O-line), most of us will still feel sick about that 10-13 debacle.

At least your cops got to pepper spray their players.

 

[jackaro]

Negativity sells. It always guarantees attention.

Day is on the hot seat but it's probably not as dire as the media is making it out to be. There are a couple of things he has on his side when it comes to job security. These two things are the hefty buyout and the current pool of coaching candidates. You can get upset and fire him. But then what ? Who is going to replace him that will guarantee better results ? The market isn't exactly flooded with quality candidates right now.

IMO, if Day loses this game, he isn't getting canned. What it will do is start some clandestine activity to send out feelers to potential candidates to see what options there are. Then if we are having the same discussion next season, you are in the position to make change. What a loss will do is put Day in the position of coaching for his job next season.

Maybe the fanbase will start an online petition to bring back Urban Meyer. But seriously, no fanbase would be so classless to try to rehire a sleazy ex coach when the current coach made the post season tournament, right?