Fed-Up OSU Fans: (super interesting bits from WSJ)

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

They are a different breed that's for sure. I started checking out Ohio St forums once we were headed to the B1G 10. They have a very unhealthy perspective when it comes to Michigan. I will say the ones that I met in Eugene this year were respectful and pleasant... of course we aren't Michigan in their eyes.

Before the season we got a lot of chatter about why bother adding Oregon, they wanted a "blue blood" like USC or UCLA, you know the big LA schools, not the backwater programs from the Pacific NW. We were going to be just another Nebraska, filling a spot not winning anything.

Like lots of chess players, tOSU failed to consider how much trouble a Knight can cause.

 

[sami]

I agree. It's easy to get mad and want someone fired. But you might make it worse if you are guided by rash decisions in the heat of the moment. Depending on the outcome of this post-season, I might just start jumping on the bandwagon that says we need to start seriously consider Day's future and the idea that this just isn't going how we expected it to. But that doesn't mean you go out and Tarmac him.

If we flame out, the front office should just step away and mull over things during the winter. But until you have someone in mind that can guarantee better results, I would not go out tearing stuff apart. But I will say this - no more rookie head coaches here. You may be getting a sleeper but you just don't know how they will handle being in the limelight with all the pressure. It's not about football acumen. This is a brutal place to coach. There is no forgiveness for anything with the fans and it is not a place for the timid personality. You would go nuts. IMO Day has been folding emotionally under the pressure. You can literally see it on his face. He used to look all smiles and happy and now in year five he has huge bags under his eyes, has a catatonic glaze when he gives interviews etc...At the end of the Michigan game, everyone was wondering what he was staring at. He literally looked like he was about to have a breakdown. I do feel bad for him. But he probably took this job to soon IMO.

Here's something I've wondered about - with all the 5-star recruits and ridiculous talent brought in via the portal, is there any disappointment that he wasn't able to adequately replace Stroud, having to settle on a competent at best guy like Howard in such a critical season?

 

[LAVol1]

During CPF yes, but I agreed at the time it was time to move on.

If we had stayed with Fulmer for 1 or 2 more years, we would have been much better off because PF was MUCH better than Dooley, Butch and Beldar.

 

[bubbag]

Here's something I've wondered about - with all the 5-star recruits and ridiculous talent brought in via the portal, is there any disappointment that he wasn't able to adequately replace Stroud, having to settle on a competent at best guy like Howard in such a critical season?

No. It would be hard to replace Stroud so nobody really expected it to happen. McCord and Day never really gelled personally and nobody was shocked or upset when he bailed. He wasn't well liked by the fanbase to begin with as he kind of had a nonchalant attitude. When they landed Howard in the portal, everyone assumed it was the best we could get as all the new talent at QB is still too green and Devin Brown, the backup, just doesn't have it. Most fans are ok with Howard. When judged by the standards the fans are used to over the past decade, he has turned out to be viewed as OK but not great. After the game with Michigan he got some flack for throwing the goal line INT that gifted a TD from the 2 yard line and led to their only TD. Other than that, fans have viewed him well.

 

[stolitonic]

The OSU fan base is obviously spoiled. They’re deserving of some years of football purgatory

If they do follow through and fire Day, I hear tell there is a hard charging up and comer who is currently the HC at Arkansas State.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

No. It would be hard to replace Stroud so nobody really expected it to happen. McCord and Day never really gelled personally and nobody was shocked or upset when he bailed. He wasn't well liked by the fanbase to begin with as he kind of had a nonchalant attitude. When they landed Howard in the portal, everyone assumed it was the best we could get as all the new talent at QB is still too green and Devin Brown, the backup, just doesn't have it. Most fans are ok with Howard. When judged by the standards the fans are used to over the past decade, he has turned out to be viewed as OK but not great. After the game with Michigan he got some flack for throwing the goal line INT that gifted a TD from the 2 yard line and led to their only TD. Other than that, fans have viewed him well.

I REALLY thought you guys would make a strong run at Dillon Gabriel. With your receivers, a guy like him would have thrived even more than at Oregon AND you'd have kept him away from Oregon. I don't know the ins and outs of him leaving OU so Oregon may have been his only destination.

 

[bubbag]

I REALLY thought you guys would make a strong run at Dillon Gabriel. With your receivers, a guy like him would have thrived even more than at Oregon AND you'd have kept him away from Oregon. I don't know the ins and outs of him leaving OU so Oregon may have been his only destination.

I think NIL likely was a factor.

Howard is competent. He is a decent leader on the field. I would say his raw ability is just acceptable enough for a program with the standards of either of these teams. He almost always does enough to get the job done but without much fanfare. If he doesn't make mistakes, he does OK. If he didn't have the talent around him, his numbers wouldn't be where they are. He overthrows the ball frequently. But it's usually not glaring enough that the receivers can't make up for it with their athleticism. So I would say his numbers are a bit padded in that regards. When you have receivers like Smith making one-handed catches of overthrown balls, you don't need pinpoint accuracy. I would say if we had just average receivers, take away about 1/3 or more of Howard's TD totals and yards per game.

Here's typical examples of overthrown balls saved:

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

I don't understand this line of thinking:

If we lose to Florida every year but win the natty every time. I'm GOOD.

I think their line of thinking is that any team that would lose to THAT Michigan team isn’t winning a natty. And they’re probably right.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I think NIL likely was a factor.

Howard is competent. He is a decent leader on the field. I would say his raw ability is just acceptable enough for a program with the standards of either of these teams. He almost always does enough to get the job done but without much fanfare. If he doesn't make mistakes, he does OK. If he didn't have the talent around him, his numbers wouldn't be where they are. He overthrows the ball frequently. But it's usually not glaring enough that the receivers can't make up for it with their athleticism. So I would say his numbers are a bit padded in that regards. When you have receivers like Smith making one-handed catches of overthrown balls, you don't need pinpoint accuracy. I would say if we had just average receivers, take away about 1/3 or more of Howard's TD totals and yards per game.

Here's typical examples of overthrown balls saved:

I hope it's cold and windy and ridiculously hard to throw Saturday. No offense but I prefer our chances stopping the run not the pass with you guys. Smith is going to be a problem for defenses..... even at the next level.

And we don't use the "overthrow" word down here because Joe Milton is in the NFL now.

 

[Volizona]

I know this is behind a paywall but a couple highlights shocked me and I wanted to share. Maybe this animus actually will work in our favor after all:

- "There is now an entire graduating class who spent four years on campus without ever seeing Ohio State defeat Michigan. And many of them hold Day personally responsible."

- "Perry (Joshua Perry, a linebacker on Ohio State’s championship team in 2014) has spoken with alumni who say they don’t care if the Buckeyes win the title. To them, Perry said, losing to a mediocre Michigan squad “should be disqualifying.”

- "Maxx Crosby, a star defensive end for the Las Vegas Raiders that belongs to that camp...declared on a recent episode of his podcast that he won’t watch the Buckeyes again until they cut ties with Day, echoing a popular sentiment among a portion of particularly bloodthirsty OSU fans."

These people might be more insane than we are.

Sounds like is after years of losing to crappy Florida teams

 

[Wahoooo]

Butch Jones had a good year at Ark St.,,,,,,,he may be available?????

 

[LegionnaireOfTheMiserable]

Yes. tOSU side here.

It depends on whom you believe. Urban has come out recently stating that he never recommended Day to succeed him and only recommended that he be included in the pool of candidates. From the fan perspective, there was a bit of skepticism when he was hired due to his lack of any HC experience. Below is his resume. It is extremely rare for someone without prior HC experience to be chosen to lead a top-ten program. It's not that it can't work. But without any prior HC experience to gauge how someone handles the pressures and demands, it's always going to be a gamble. Programs like Ohio State and Tennessee are not like Appalachian State or Akron. The pressures and demands on your time are magnified tenfold. You also are going into a pressure cooker where you are expected to be competitive from the getgo.


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Idk for a fact how involved Urban was with making Day the coach, but I do know that if Day were undefeated against Michigan and had a natty or two to his credit, Urban would be screaming from the rooftops that he was the guy who handpicked Day.

 

[VOLtaism]

I know this is behind a paywall but a couple highlights shocked me and I wanted to share. Maybe this animus actually will work in our favor after all:

- "There is now an entire graduating class who spent four years on campus without ever seeing Ohio State defeat Michigan. And many of them hold Day personally responsible."

- "Perry (Joshua Perry, a linebacker on Ohio State’s championship team in 2014) has spoken with alumni who say they don’t care if the Buckeyes win the title. To them, Perry said, losing to a mediocre Michigan squad “should be disqualifying.”

- "Maxx Crosby, a star defensive end for the Las Vegas Raiders that belongs to that camp...declared on a recent episode of his podcast that he won’t watch the Buckeyes again until they cut ties with Day, echoing a popular sentiment among a portion of particularly bloodthirsty OSU fans."

These people might be more insane than we are.

When your mascot is a nut what else can you do???

 

[adam.vol]

You’ll likely never understand. A lot of people have pure hatred for their rivals. Before national title games were even a thing you were measured on success against your rivals. A lot of that was bc you had to hear from those mofos for a whole year talk trash about how they beat you.

Must be nice to have only one rival.. When we beat Bama 7 in a row, we couldn’t beat Florida. When we started beating Florida we couldn’t beat Georgia. When we beat Georgia and Florida we couldn’t beat Bama.. Ohio State’s focus on Michigan proves the Big 10 is a joke of a conference.

 

[Halph66]

Fans aren't questioning whether we are on a sinking ship. They are wondering if the person at the helm is competent enough to command the ship.

Here is the mood as the clock hit zero against Michigan. Fans were incredulous and going ballistic on day.

Can we get them to chant Fire Ryan Day during their warm ups Saturday? Just to set the mood.

 

[bubbag]

Idk for a fact how involved Urban was with making Day the coach, but I do know that if Day were undefeated against Michigan and had a natty or two to his credit, Urban would be screaming from the rooftops that he was the guy who handpicked Day.

Probably. I really can't say for sure why the athletic office rushed to hand the keys to Day. When Meyer was suspended to start 2018, Day was the interim coach for a few games and the team beat up on a couple of bottom feeders. He did a good job as Offensive coordinator for one season prior to that. I guess they felt that was enough of a test.

 

[Hank Bukowski]

This is why most National Titles, prior to 1990s, are a mess. The really wasn't a serious effort there. Bowl Games were treated as just fun Exhibitions and sometimes half the team wouldn't even be there. It was only around the late 1970s/early 1980s were teams started putting more stock in their national ranking, bowl games, National Titles, etc. Even then, it took 10 or so years before we even got the Bowl Alliance (which was a mess) and then the BCS.

Brother, it’s still a mess. The portal and NIL have destroyed college football for my generation.

 

[bubbag]

I hope it's cold and windy and ridiculously hard to throw Saturday. No offense but I prefer our chances stopping the run not the pass with you guys. Smith is going to be a problem for defenses..... even at the next level.

And we don't use the "overthrow" word down here because Joe Milton is in the NFL now.

Nobody was expecting it. He is a true Freshman and although highly touted, success like this usually doesn't happen instantly. He just came out in game one and started making wild acrobatic catches and started setting records for freshmen receivers. That's one of the reasons people were upset with Day against Michigan. He was almost completely ignored and they kept trying to run it up the middle.

 

[Rocky Top T]

If we had stayed with Fulmer for 1 or 2 more years, we would have been much better off because PF was MUCH better than Dooley, Butch and Beldar.

Fulmer wouldn't win much in the SEC these days. I was glad when he was fired and especially when he was fired from AD.

 

[GoVols1961]

Ohio State missed field goals of 34 and 38 yds against Michigan. Are their fans going to blame Coach Day for that?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Nobody was expecting it. He is a true Freshman and although highly touted, success like this usually doesn't happen instantly. He just came out in game one and started making wild acrobatic catches and started setting records for freshmen receivers. That's one of the reasons people were upset with Day against Michigan. He was almost completely ignored and they kept trying to run it up the middle.

If y'all would be so kind as to continue the "run it up the middle" strategy, we'd be grateful.

I promise we'll return the favor by turning Dylan Sampson loose between the hash marks quite a bit.

Honestly, I'm looking forward to the game likely being the best 1st round game and a real war in the trenches.

 

[esarmstrong]

If we had stayed with Fulmer for 1 or 2 more years, we would have been much better off because PF was MUCH better than Dooley, Butch and Beldar.

Can't be proven or disproven. Fulmer needed to go. We replaced him with Kiffin, not Dooley, Butch or Pruitt. Tennessee's nightmare began the day Hamilton signed Kiffin with that ridiculously low buy-out that allowed him to skip town for his "dream job".

 

[ptgrbn]

I know this is behind a paywall but a couple highlights shocked me and I wanted to share. Maybe this animus actually will work in our favor after all:

- "There is now an entire graduating class who spent four years on campus without ever seeing Ohio State defeat Michigan. And many of them hold Day personally responsible."

- "Perry (Joshua Perry, a linebacker on Ohio State’s championship team in 2014) has spoken with alumni who say they don’t care if the Buckeyes win the title. To them, Perry said, losing to a mediocre Michigan squad “should be disqualifying.”

- "Maxx Crosby, a star defensive end for the Las Vegas Raiders that belongs to that camp...declared on a recent episode of his podcast that he won’t watch the Buckeyes again until they cut ties with Day, echoing a popular sentiment among a portion of particularly bloodthirsty OSU fans."

These people might be more insane than we are.

Man those fans/alumni are petty. Remember how ling it was before we beat Bama or Fla? Grass isn’t always greener on the other side of a new coach ya know. If I were Day I would resign and give em all the middle finger. Let em reap what they sow!!

 

[tricky13]

I don't understand this line of thinking:

If we lose to Florida every year but win the natty every time. I'm GOOD.

Yea but Ohio State hasn’t won a natty in 10 years, 4 years before Day got there

 

[CPVOL]

The only thing that seems to work so that everyone is happy is UT winning.