Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

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Sandman 423 said:
So rather than just admit you were wrong and campaigns are allowed to talk to foreign entities you went with this drivel. So in your "real world", Both candidates committed a crime by talking to foreigners? What a Maroon.
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So to disagree with you means you call names. Very Mature. I could easily rake you over the coals for your posts and beliefs and fantasy. Hope is a strange in the eyes of another. Your focus is to win an argument vs seeking the truth of the matter. You have now simplified the argument with conversation by stating another did it but Trump is being persecuted for it. Whatever works for you to twist this into a win. I laugh. The reality is Trump is unfit to serve this nation both mentally and soon physically. Trump Serves Trump. He breaks the rules, blames it on others, bullies the crowd, throws fits like a 2 year old and lies to the public. Yet you bow at his feet and tell yourself he is the victim, nice try. Keep buying into it, you will go down with the ship with him. The Democrats are going to go after him until he takes his last breath. It maybe tomorrow, next week, 6 months, a year or two but they are going to get him and he keeps giving the fuel to the fire with his own words. He is a likeable guy, but he will eventually turn on you when you have little or zero worth to him. Out with the trash many will go. Have fun, have a safe trip watch your back. Defend him all you want and his actions, drink more kool-aid, never is it about the party it is always about Trump. We can put the Clintons, Bidens and Trump in the same cell and let them figure it out for all I care. Running this country and satisfying the masses is not an easy job, but Putin owns Trump and Trump is his lap dog. Keep believing what you wish. You know what is amazing? The fact that Trump is now following the Rabbit down the QAnon hole. Desperate people do desperate things. Trump is a Crap stirrer. Finally you need to bone up on the laws, Flynn says Hello.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
So to disagree with you means you call names. Very Mature. I could easily rake you over the coals for your posts and beliefs and fantasy. Hope is a strange in the eyes of another. Your focus is to win an argument vs seeking the truth of the matter. You have now simplified the argument with conversation by stating another did it but Trump is being persecuted for it. Whatever works for you to twist this into a win. I laugh. The reality is Trump is unfit to serve this nation both mentally and soon physically. Trump Serves Trump. He breaks the rules, blames it on others, bullies the crowd, throws fits like a 2 year old and lies to the public. Yet you bow at his feet and tell yourself he is the victim, nice try. Keep buying into it, you will go down with the ship with him. The Democrats are going to go after him until he takes his last breath. It maybe tomorrow, next week, 6 months, a year or two but they are going to get him and he keeps giving the fuel to the fire with his own words. He is a likeable guy, but he will eventually turn on you when you have little or zero worth to him. Out with the trash many will go. Have fun, have a safe trip watch your back. Defend him all you want and his actions, drink more kool-aid, never is it about the party it is always about Trump. We can put the Clintons, Bidens and Trump in the same cell and let them figure it out for all I care. Running this country and satisfying the masses is not an easy job, but Putin owns Trump and Trump is his lap dog. Keep believing what you wish. You know what is amazing? The fact that Trump is now following the Rabbit down the QAnon hole. Desperate people do desperate things. Trump is a Crap stirrer. Finally you need to bone up on the laws, Flynn says Hello.
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WTF are you even talking about? You say they can't talk to foreign entities and I say they can. The rest of this drivel is in your head.
 
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This entire saga could have been avoided had Trump not taken the documents with him, or returned them after the many requests that he do so.

As i pointed out at the very beginning, to this day it is still the case that absolutely no explanation as to WHY has been given. And that is the most important thing. That is where the true criminality lies.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This entire saga could have been avoided had Trump not taken the documents with him, or returned them after the many requests that he do so.

As i pointed out at the very beginning, to this day it is still the case that absolutely no explanation as to WHY has been given. And that is the most important thing. That is where the true criminality lies.
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Please. This is tiresome. You dont know squat and are speculating again.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This entire saga could have been avoided had Trump not taken the documents with him, or returned them after the many requests that he do so.

As i pointed out at the very beginning, to this day it is still the case that absolutely no explanation as to WHY has been given. And that is the most important thing. That is where the true criminality lies.
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I dont want to give Donald too much credit but do you think he masterminded this whole thing? Forced the FBI's hand and then claimed it was all part of the Dems' plan, witch hunt etc etc, seems plausible.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If he had a remotely legitimate reason we'd have heard it long ago.
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Reason for what?
Just stop it. This sounds like some BS.
If he had something he should not do you think he just leaves them there for the raid? We been through this.
Use your noggin.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
I dont want to give Donald too much credit but do you think he masterminded this whole thing? Forced the FBI's hand and then claimed it was all part of the Dems' plan, witch hunt etc etc, seems plausible.
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Well that would require a decent level of intelligence. Something your side says Trump has little of. So probably best for you to keep your tin foil hat on for now.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
WTF are you even talking about? You say they can't talk to foreign entities and I say they can. The rest of this drivel is in your head.
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Again, read the laws and try to understand them if you can. It doesn't really matter what you believe or what I believe. It is basic and it is about what the law states.
Time will tell how the Courts deal with it. Sessions was smart enough to get out of the situation before he got blamed. Oh wait, Trump tooled him. LOL. There is the right way, the illegal way and now the Trump way. There were more serious crimes committed, but yet here you sit grasping at straws.
 
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Well, this is becoming a cluster. Trumpers hired a renown forger to send in a fake document from prison, and the fake document got mixed into the case. They found it.... but yadda, yadda...

In an effort to get a handle on things, the DOJ has again asked that frump's request get thrown out, and Biden has appointed a new district judge. A merick garland man. It's a matter of convenience because this judge had already been positioned for this.

Biden nominates US attorney for Florida Mar-a-Lago district
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Well, this is becoming a cluster. Trumpers hired a renown forger to send in a fake document from prison, and the fake document got mixed into the case. They found it.... but yadda, yadda...

In an effort to get a handle on things, the DOJ has again asked that frump's request get thrown out, and Biden has appointed a new district judge. A merick garland man. It's a matter of convenience because this judge had already been positioned for this.

Biden nominates US attorney for Florida Mar-a-Lago district
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I am sure we will soon hear "Foul", The Trump Victim Rant of an appointed Biden Prosecutor, It's Illegal, they are not qualified, or they did it to get me. The Saga will continue. Politics is Dirty learn to adjust to the BS.
 
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Trump wasn’t willing to turn over copies of Epsteins client list, because he had leverage over powerful people. So Joe sent in the FBI.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Well, this is becoming a cluster. Trumpers hired a renown forger to send in a fake document from prison, and the fake document got mixed into the case. They found it.... but yadda, yadda...

In an effort to get a handle on things, the DOJ has again asked that frump's request get thrown out, and Biden has appointed a new district judge. A merick garland man. It's a matter of convenience because this judge had already been positioned for this.

Biden nominates US attorney for Florida Mar-a-Lago district
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You must get most of your info from OAN 😂😂😂
 
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Our resident experts who continue to claim certain criminality, seem reluctant to comment on this standing case law entirely relevant to the Trump case.

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Old case over audio tapes in Bill Clinton's sock drawer could impact Mar-a-Lago search dispute

The case in question is titled Judicial Watch v. National Archives and Records Administration and it involved an effort by the conservative watchdog to compel the Archives to forcibly seize hours of audio recordings that Clinton made during his presidency with historian Taylor Branch.

U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson in Washington D.C. ultimately rejected Judicial Watch's suit by concluding there was no provision in the Presidential Records Act to force the National Archives to seize records from a former president.

But Jackson's ruling — along with the Justice Department's arguments that preceded it — made some other sweeping declarations that have more direct relevance to the FBI's decision to seize handwritten notes and files Trump took with him to Mar-a-Lago. The most relevant is that a president's discretion on what are personal vs. official records is far-reaching and solely his, as is his ability to declassify or destroy records at will.

"Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion," Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision, which was never appealed.

"Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records," she added.

You can read the full ruling here:
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memorandum opinion.pdf
The judge noted a president could destroy any record he wanted during his tenure and his only responsibility was to inform the Archives.

As to whether records a president concluded were personal can be forcibly seized after he leaves office, the court concluded it was unreasonable to force NARA to go get the tapes

"Because the audiotapes are not physically in the government's possession, defendant submits that it would be required to seize them directly from President Clinton in order to assume custody and control over them," Jackson noted. "Defendant considers this to be an 'extraordinary request' that is unfounded, contrary to the PRA's express terms, and contrary to traditional principles of administrative law. The Court agrees."

That defendant was the same Justice Department that authorized the raid on Trump's estate. You can read their arguments a decade earlier here:

File
Hearing Transcript.pdf

Jackson also concluded that a decision to challenge a president's decision lies solely with the National Archives and can't be reviewed by a court. If the Archives wants to challenge a decision, that agency and the attorney general can initiate an enforcement mechanism under the law, but it is a civil procedure and has no criminal penalty, she noted.
 
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