Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

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NCFisher said:
"Lol" is a juvenile dodge, not a response.

Berman-Jackson did not predicate a president's classification authority upon the case details, but rather highlighted the complete authority over any Presidential records in contrast to (lesser) personal records.
"Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records," she added.

SCOTUS declared in Dept. of Navy vs. Egan:
The President, after all, is the "Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States." U.S.Const., Art. II, § 2. His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant. See Cafeteria Workers v. McElroy, 367 U. S. 886, 367 U. S. 890 (1961).

SCOTUS is stating the president is THE classification authority, independent of congress and vested in the executive by the constitution. Now, go ahead - make another silly 'apples/oranges' statement. Convince us what the court really meant is presidential classification authority depends - in some odd way - on a federal employee getting clearance.



Well, no, as demonstrated above. And it's unknown if Trump had any documents other than those DOJ reviewed and he declared declassified on Jan 19, 2021.

Just whose "procedures" are you contending the constitutional classification authority must follow?
Certainly not congress, certainly not the courts - ? Unelected bureaucrats?

You should take a breath and get your wits about you prior to answering. This may help: PolitiFact - Does the president have 'the ability to declassify anything at any time'?
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NCFisher you are desperately fishing for an out. LOL is the only way I can respond to a person's ignorance and total disregard of the laws regarding Classified documents without stating it to you. It is comical for someone to preach and defend the gross negligence as Trump has done in his handling of Classified Documents. Simply put you have zero understanding regarding the procedures and processes to declassify. Nor does it appear that you understand the ramifications/results or harm that breach of security of this nature can cause. All caused because of the mental state of a sitting President or Ex President's negligence. I was just being nice.
As President he held power to do so but it would never have cleared the channels it had to for him to declassify. What's more, the documents would never have left the Agency. He did not possess the power as an EX President and if he did the documents would never have been allowed to be in his possession at his private residence. Just another Reality you must fact so (nice try). I guess you understand HUMINT and what it entails. No you don't because if you did you would not be wasting your time with citing BS case law that has nothing to do breech of security.

Neither Trump nor Trump's legal team can't even tell the Judge What/which documents he declassified, When he declassified them, for What purpose it served, Who was notified, and Where the declassifications took place. Notification Process and procedures used to declassify and the justification to declassify these documents. Trump cannot even answer why he packed them up and took them home nor can he justify his actions.
Honestly, Trump is pissing into the wind. What he has done is criminal and self-serving. There are plenty of procedures and processes. To say he had authority to do so is a juvenile argument. To say he followed the outlined procedures is even more juvenile, the list is long of actions to be taken of which he nor his staff knew. Quite simple, He broke the law. Sorry you missed that.
Obviously you have no clue and are grasping for straws. Here comes the but....but....but. You are just screwing with me and you can't be this naïve regarding Trump. Can You?

The documents involving Intel do not belong to Trump, never did nor will they ever belong to him, they belong to the Government. You say 19 Jan ?? Where is the evidence to prove it? He is an idiot and unfit for office of which you will never admit, so be it. The ship is sinking. Cases you have cited are nowhere near this stupidity as they are Apples to Oranges. You referenced an article with Nixon Tapes and how did that turn out for Nixon. Trump's team can't claim he declassified documents yet they have no evidence he did. Furthermore, instead of handing them back to the government, he ignored the facts and got into a hot mess. He hid the facts from his own attorneys. Real bright but you feel he should be running this country, nice try and no f***ing way. I feel sorry for you, and I hate for you and you just don't get it. Furthermore, you fail to properly interpret the Cases or Codes you are citing. If you had done what Trump did, you would be sitting in a 10x10 prison cell with bubba.
 
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NY AG Letitia James is expected to make a major announcement regarding the CIVIL case against frump on tax evasion charges at 11:30 E. Have your news sources tuned accordingly.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
She is filing a 250 MILLION dollar fraud suit against frump. He's done.
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NEW YORK — New York Attorney General Letitia James filed a lawsuit Wednesday accusing former president Donald Trump, three of his grown children and executives at his company of flagrantly manipulating property valuations to deceive lenders, insurance brokers and tax authorities into giving them better rates on bank loans and insurance policies and to reduce their tax liability.

The suit asks the New York Supreme Court to bar Trump, as well as Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump and Eric Trump, from serving as executives at any company in New York, and to bar the Trump Organization from acquiring any commercial real estate or receiving loans from any New York-registered financial institution for five years.

It seeks to recover more than $250 million in what James’s office says are ill-gotten gains received through the alleged deceptive practices. While the lawsuit itself is not a criminal prosecution, James (D) said she has referred possible violations of federal law to the Justice Department and the IRS.

The broad-ranging lawsuit is the result of a more than two-year investigation by James and names 23 properties in the Trump Organization portfolio, including his Mar-a-Lago Club in Florida, his Seven Springs estate in Westchester County, N.Y., and the D.C. hotel he leased from the federal government until he sold it in May.
 
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hog88 said:
One that will be settled for under 10 mil. Every commercial real estate developer in NY or considering NY state just went "nope" when she announced this.
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Not sure she wants to keep pushing the two justice system considering her state and party that holds the majority.
 
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hog88 said:
One that will be settled for under 10 mil. Every commercial real estate developer in NY or considering NY state just went "nope" when she announced this.
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5 years seems like good timing if he chooses to run again.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
So to recap, the AG is acting as a proxy for the real victim in any loan shenanigans, the loaning bank, and seeking damages in a CIVIL suit for <checks notes> loans that were paid back in full.

I’m really glad this miscarriage of Justice has been corrected 🙄
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The “victim” (Deutsche Bank) was paid in full. The AG ran her campaign based on taking down Trump. Seems legit.

This should be a huge red flag for any business considering having a footprint in New York.
 
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NCFisher said:
"Lol" is a juvenile dodge, not a response.

Berman-Jackson did not predicate a president's classification authority upon the case details, but rather highlighted the complete authority over any Presidential records in contrast to (lesser) personal records.
"Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records," she added.

SCOTUS declared in Dept. of Navy vs. Egan:
The President, after all, is the "Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States." U.S.Const., Art. II, § 2. His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant. See Cafeteria Workers v. McElroy, 367 U. S. 886, 367 U. S. 890 (1961).

SCOTUS is stating the president is THE classification authority, independent of congress and vested in the executive by the constitution. Now, go ahead - make another silly 'apples/oranges' statement. Convince us what the court really meant is presidential classification authority depends - in some odd way - on a federal employee getting clearance.



Well, no, as demonstrated above. And it's unknown if Trump had any documents other than those DOJ reviewed and he declared declassified on Jan 19, 2021.

Just whose "procedures" are you contending the constitutional classification authority must follow?
Certainly not congress, certainly not the courts - ? Unelected bureaucrats?

You should take a breath and get your wits about you prior to answering. This may help: PolitiFact - Does the president have 'the ability to declassify anything at any time'?
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Does the incumbent president have access to all classified material?
 
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Sudden Impact said:
NCFisher you are desperately fishing for an out. LOL is the only way I can respond to a person's ignorance and total disregard of the laws regarding Classified documents without stating it to you. It is comical for someone to preach and defend the gross negligence as Trump has done in his handling of Classified Documents. Simply put you have zero understanding regarding the procedures and processes to declassify. Nor does it appear that you understand the ramifications/results or harm that breach of security of this nature can cause. All caused because of the mental state of a sitting President or Ex President's negligence. I was just being nice.
As President he held power to do so but it would never have cleared the channels it had to for him to declassify. What's more, the documents would never have left the Agency. He did not possess the power as an EX President and if he did the documents would never have been allowed to be in his possession at his private residence. Just another Reality you must fact so (nice try). I guess you understand HUMINT and what it entails. No you don't because if you did you would not be wasting your time with citing BS case law that has nothing to do breech of security.

Neither Trump nor Trump's legal team can't even tell the Judge What/which documents he declassified, When he declassified them, for What purpose it served, Who was notified, and Where the declassifications took place. Notification Process and procedures used to declassify and the justification to declassify these documents. Trump cannot even answer why he packed them up and took them home nor can he justify his actions.
Honestly, Trump is pissing into the wind. What he has done is criminal and self-serving. There are plenty of procedures and processes. To say he had authority to do so is a juvenile argument. To say he followed the outlined procedures is even more juvenile, the list is long of actions to be taken of which he nor his staff knew. Quite simple, He broke the law. Sorry you missed that.
Obviously you have no clue and are grasping for straws. Here comes the but....but....but. You are just screwing with me and you can't be this naïve regarding Trump. Can You?

The documents involving Intel do not belong to Trump, never did nor will they ever belong to him, they belong to the Government. You say 19 Jan ?? Where is the evidence to prove it? He is an idiot and unfit for office of which you will never admit, so be it. The ship is sinking. Cases you have cited are nowhere near this stupidity as they are Apples to Oranges. You referenced an article with Nixon Tapes and how did that turn out for Nixon. Trump's team can't claim he declassified documents yet they have no evidence he did. Furthermore, instead of handing them back to the government, he ignored the facts and got into a hot mess. He hid the facts from his own attorneys. Real bright but you feel he should be running this country, nice try and no f***ing way. I feel sorry for you, and I hate for you and you just don't get it. Furthermore, you fail to properly interpret the Cases or Codes you are citing. If you had done what Trump did, you would be sitting in a 10x10 prison cell with bubba.
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You are "desperately fishing" by interleaving two different things, the presidential classification of documents and the post-presidency possession of documents. I'm stating the constitutional defense basis for presidential classification, and not arguing or defending the post-presidency possession. Your emotional response re: Trump's suitability for office is immaterial to this argument; please recompose and focus on the argument.

Then you can understand my references to his Jan 19, 2021 are concerned solely with the orderly declassifying of Russia investigation documents: Memorandum on Declassification of Certain Materials Related to the FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane Investigation – The White House Here's background on it: Final Trump declassification request to DOJ blocked after he left White House - and how FBI/DOJ has concealed its malevolence for six years now. Meadows convinced Trump to orderly declassify the documents.

To boil your position down, you predicate the vested authority of classification itself upon whether or not the president follows bureaucratic procedure or custom; the constitution establishes no such predication, and the court has been mute except to convey singular authority. Again, whose procedures must the president follow to declassify? Where does the constitution subject that authority to procedural underlings? Or statutes of Congress, for that matter? You should re-read the last link I gave you.

I'd share a cell with Bubba because I'm not president. Neither were senior aide Sandy Berger or SoS Hillary Clinton but rather subordinate officers who mishandled, misappropriated, stole, and destroyed classified and otherwise official documents. See the analogy fail?

Perhaps you'd rather focus on the argument of records possession, declassified or not, instead of classification - ? You have some defensible positions there.
 
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