Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

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Gandalf said:
Because he asserted his right as President to have declassified and kept them. Again, these aren’t MISSING docs, they inventoried them. They just disputed who could keep them.

Once this gets to SCOTUS it will be kaput just like with Bill Clinton but Dems don’t care because they know it will take awhile and this is all political theater.

Btw, none of these arguments are comparable to Biden’s mishandling of the docs - or Pence either for that matter. ONLY Presidents.
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When could a case get to the SC? Not even sure how that would be initiated straight to them.
 
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evillawyer said:
Turley said it was strong. Dershoshitz said weak. I'm convinced dershoshitz is on the take from some pro Trump organization.
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Trump pardoned an Israeli official, Aviem Sella, who had assisted in helping Jonathan Pollard spy on the United States. Dershowitz had represented the guy .... Dershowitz also represented Pollard. Dershowitz also likes that Trump moved the American embassy to Jerusalem.
 
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Gandalf said:
Because he asserted his right as President to have declassified and kept them. Again, these aren’t MISSING docs, they inventoried them. They just disputed who could keep them.
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He didn't have the right to keep them. He was in violation of the law. It does not matter whether they were declassified or not.

Per the Presidential Records Act, those items were not Trump's personal property. He is on an audio recording acknowledging this, and he took action to hide the documents from the FBI, so they wouldn't be handed over to NARA.
 
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Gandalf said:
Btw, none of these arguments are comparable to Biden’s mishandling of the docs - or Pence either for that matter. ONLY Presidents have those special rights.
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They don't have the right to keep Presidential records once they leave office. The Presidential Records Act is very specific on this point. You don't know what you are talking about.
 
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Orangeburst said:
4 years to do nothing? That is not true.
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Really, I see She is not in Jail, and not even charged. Convicted in Trump's mind and others but nothing done legally. Excluding QAnon tribunal and sentenced. All these lies. I would have loved to see her go to jail, Republicans had the Power to do it and failed miserably Trump could not push it through with Senate and House Control. Trump has transformed some idiots into the poster children of the Republican Party. His leadership is beyond Reproach.
He did do several things, divided - weakened the Republican Party, enabled the extreme idiots of both parties to hold the government hostage, Misled, lied/brainwashed impressionable minds, proved that he is Mentally ill and unfit for Office.

He will get 2 more indictments, added to the two currently pending. More lawyers will depart his defense, funds will dry up and he will be spread thin.

What did he do? That we are not paying the price for today.

He couldn't even get charges brought against Clinton when he had full control.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Really, I see She not in Jail, and not even charged. Convicted in Trump's mind and others but nothing done legally. Excluding QAnon tribunal and sentenced. All these lies. I would have loved to see her go to jail, Republicans had the Power to do it and failed miserably Trump could not push it through with Senate and House Control. Trump has transformed some idiots into the poster children of the Republican Party. His leadership is beyond Reproach.
He did do several things, divided - weakened the Republican Party, enabled the extreme idiots of both parties to hold the government hostage, Misled, lied/brainwashed impressionable minds, proved that he is Mentally ill and unfit for Office.

He will get 2 more indictments, added to the two currently pending. More lawyers will depart his defense, funds will dry up and he will be spread thin.

What did he do? That we are not paying the price for today.

He couldn't even get charges brought against Clinton when he had full control.
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I am not going to bother listing out accomplishments that have been posted on this forum several times. You have Google.
 
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Turley:

One of the early issues for the court in Florida will be whether to gag the former president from campaigning on this matter. That could raise serious free-speech concerns and could prove one of the early appellate issues in the case if the court imposes strict limits on what Trump can say about it.
 
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Will you guys please read this?

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978

The very first bullet point says that the Presidential Records Act of 1978 ....
  • Establishes public ownership of all Presidential records and defines the term Presidential records.
^^^ The President doesn't define what a Presidential record is. The Act itself does, which the Archivist (NARA) has the discretionary authority to interpret.

The seventh bullet point down says that the Presidential Records Act of 1978 also ....
  • Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.
^^^ The Archivist is NARA (the National Archives and Records Administration). I don't see much room for misinterpretation here.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Will you guys please read this?

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978

The very first bullet point says that the Presidential Records Act of 1978 ....
  • Establishes public ownership of all Presidential records and defines the term Presidential records.
^^^ The President doesn't define what a Presidential record is. The Act itself does, which the Archivist (NARA) has the discretionary authority to interpret.

The seventh bullet point down says that the Presidential Records Act of 1978 also ....
  • Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.
^^^ The Archivist is NARA (the National Archives and Records Administration). I don't see much room for misinterpretation here.
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The president gets to designate records as “presidential” or “personal.” The act directs that the designation be made as soon as possible after receipt/creation of the record and defines what constitutes a personal record. Presumably, courts could decide that a record designated as a personal record failed to meet this definition, but so far none has.
 
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Orangeburst said:
I am not going to bother listing out accomplishments that have been posted on this forum several times. You have Google.
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no you want because they are all debatable and most are meaningless
He accomplished partly what he wanted Divide and Conquer. He just got Caught. He had the Goods on Clinton & Biden at the time and could not shut the door. Now all we hear is the rhetoric from those days. He gave some groups a voice in both parties that should not ever had a voice.
Welcome to Donald Trump's game of Presidential Celebrity Apprentice.
 
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VolinMichigan said:
Hahaha yea let’s assassinate the guy who’s almost 80, is at least 50-80 pounds overweight, and eats McDonalds and KFC every day.

Donald Trump could have a massive heart attack on live television and you people will still think he was murdered.
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I would put it past you all if he avoids prosecution
 
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RockyTop85 said:
The president gets to designate records as “presidential” or “personal.” The act directs that the designation be made as soon as possible after receipt/creation of the record and defines what constitutes a personal record. Presumably, courts could decide that a record designated as a personal record failed to meet this definition, but so far none has.
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Was that ever done though? I have had the impression that he has never been in compliance with this law. Meaning that no such designations were ever made. He just lumped everything together in boxes based on what he wanted to retain after he left office and what he considered to be "junk." That was his record keeping "system."
 
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Bullet point #2 of the PRA states:
  • Requires that Vice-Presidential records be treated in the same way as Presidential records.
Thoughts?
 
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CobbVol said:
Bullet point #2 of the PRA states:
  • Requires that Vice-Presidential records be treated in the same way as Presidential records.
Thoughts?
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Biden was in clear violation of the law as well. However, he didn't resist handing over the material to NARA, by way of the FBI, once the items were discovered.
 
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OrangeBoro said:
Will he be charged
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Doubtful ... and I think that is where the difference in cooperation comes into play. Of course, Republicans won't see it this way, but if Trump had just complied with NARA's records request, I don't think anything would have ever come from this. He was certainly given enough time.

Trump has an irrational resentment of any type of oversight authority.
 
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OrangeBoro said:
Perhaps he didn’t believe in prosecuting his political opponents unlike you communists
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Communists, yea right. How dumb are you? Mature jab? no.

Actually, I was looking forward to the Clinton Trials. Trump with Total power could not deliver on his comments. He failed and ran a Facade. Could not even bring charges. Quite simply, another lie or misnomer of many.

Then He basically committed the same crime and the Party in Power called him out on it. Political interference, yea no doubt. You charge a political opponent with a Crime it is going to Politically interfere with the opponent's campaign.

So Trump supposedly committed a crime, time will tell. Political Interference, ok. Crimes committed, indictments issued and now we are going to Court. Black and White. Timing is in a Political Election year and Trump announced way to early. All part of the plan.

You get caught Speeding, 90 mph in 65 zone. You get pulled over and ticketed. Well, your arrival time is now affected, however the other vehicles that passed you, did not get caught. You tell the Officer he pulled you over to delay you from reaching your destination on time. That in your Defense and the Officer states "Sign Here, It is not an admission of guilt just ensuring you were made aware of you requirement to Appear in Court". Here is the website for your for your convenience if you wish to Admit Guilt and pay the fine.
 
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On the plus side, if Trump gets convicted and can't run, perhaps the GOP finds a decent candidate, which should be good enough to defeat Biden because he's been a horrible President.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Doubtful ... and I think that is where the difference in cooperation comes into play. Of course, Republicans won't see it this way, but if Trump had just complied with NARA's records request, I don't think anything would have ever come from this. He was certainly given enough time.

Trump has an irrational resentment of any type of oversight authority.
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Is ignorance of the law a solid defense?
 
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