Ferguson Riots

#26
#26
coug said:
We all know this wasn't some innocent kid who just got randomly shot by an officer for no reason.
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That doesn't justify a shooting unless the officer's life was threatened.

In turn, that doesn't justify the mob's actions (just to clarify, before someone infers meaning that isn't there).
 
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n_huffhines said:
That doesn't justify a shooting unless the officer's life was threatened.

In turn, that doesn't justify the mob's actions (just to clarify, before someone infers meaning that isn't there).
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From some accounts, there was a struggle over the officer's weapon. As the PD is being tight lipped about it because of the investigation, I don't know how much faith to place in those rumors because others state the kid was running away.

However, I will add that Al Sharpton already plans to visit St. Louis and talk with the family and Benjamin Crump (the lawyer for the Trayvon Martin family) has already been retained.
 
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Grand Vol said:
From some accounts, there was a struggle over the officer's weapon. As the PD is being tight lipped about it because of the investigation, I don't know how much faith to place in those rumors because others state the kid was running away.

However, I will add that Al Sharpton already plans to visit St. Louis and talk with the family and Benjamin Crump (the lawyer for the Trayvon Martin family) has already been retained.
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If that's the case, then I can see how it could be justified. Forensics should be able to tell whether or not he was shot fleeing or in a struggle for the weapon.
 
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n_huffhines said:
If that's the case, then I can see how it could be justified. Forensics should be able to tell whether or not he was shot fleeing or in a struggle for the weapon.
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From what I read the guy was shot multiple times. That could present a major problem. Especially if is proven that he was fleeing. Even if he wasn't I don't know if multiple gunshots can be justified.
 
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n_huffhines said:
If that's the case, then I can see how it could be justified. Forensics should be able to tell whether or not he was shot fleeing or in a struggle for the weapon.
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Should be able to tell yes. Now whether the rabblerousers will give the police the opportunity to conduct the investigation is another point entirely.

Honestly, the department should call for an independent agency like the Missouri State Police to conduct the investigation. Make it as neutral as they possible can.
 
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n_huffhines said:
If that's the case, then I can see how it could be justified. Forensics should be able to tell whether or not he was shot fleeing or in a struggle for the weapon.
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The young man (18) pushed the officer back in his car. Went for his weapon. The struggle lead to the weapon going off in the squad car. The officer then killed the young man.

Tragic. I am curious as to whether or not if he was fleeing. The other suspect ran away.
 
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Obsessed said:
The young man (18) pushed the officer back in his car. Went for his weapon. The struggle lead to the weapon going off in the squad car. The officer then killed the young man.

Tragic. I am curious as to whether or not if he was fleeing. The other suspect ran away.
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I think the largest question right now that has to be answered is why were they stopped in the first place. And secondly has this other suspect been identified.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think the largest question right now that has to be answered is why were they stopped in the first place. And secondly has this other suspect been identified.
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My understanding is yes he has been identified but was not charged. ( I assume with everything going on- they decided not to) the officer has not be identified though.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Why is the reason for the stop critical?
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Whether or not profiling was taking place. I won't deny it happens, but it certainly is not going to help the case if the two were stopped for being black on a Saturday night.

It's not going to placate the masses, but if the officer in question had a legitimate reason for a stop and identify, it helps clarify the conditions surrounding the incident.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Whether or not profiling was taking place. I won't deny it happens, but it certainly is not going to help the case if the two were stopped for being black on a Saturday night.

It's not going to placate the masses, but if the officer in question had a legitimate reason for a stop and identify, it helps clarify the conditions surrounding the incident.
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True, but it seems like the assault on the police (if that's what happened) would negate the notion that they may have been originally stopped for a mere fishing expedition.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
True, but it seems like the assault on the police (if that's what happened) would negate the notion that they may have been originally stopped for a mere fishing expedition.
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And that's why it's the key to finding out the way it went down. If there was a report prior to of the two matching the description of someone attempting to gain entry into a house for example, that certainly changes the paradigm of why the officer would stop them.

But if it's a fishing trip and someone lost their life? Bad times ahead. And I'd almost be willing to say this officer will be sacrificed no matter what since what's past is prelude and you would see far more looting and violence going on if he's cleared and even if it was determined to be a valid shoot.
 
#43
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Burhead said:
The local news station was showing a live feed of looters ransacking a tire store it's crazy watching it live. For some reason police units so far haven't moved in with force.
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a tire store...? Lulz.


Gotta get dem 20's I guess.
 
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Both the police attackers and the police defenders are, once again, jumping to conclusions, based on speculation, incomplete facts, and preconceived notions about the young man who was shot and the officer who shot him.

Its like sitting down to a jigsaw puzzle with 1,000 scattered pieces, all face down except for 2 of them, and surmising on those two what the picture is.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Both the police attackers and the police defenders are, once again, jumping to conclusions, based on speculation, incomplete facts, and preconceived notions about the young man who was shot and the officer who shot him.

Its like sitting down to a jigsaw puzzle with 1,000 scattered pieces, all face down except for 2 of them, and surmising on those two what the picture is.
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I can look at the box and see the picture.
 
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Grand Vol said:
From some accounts, there was a struggle over the officer's weapon. As the PD is being tight lipped about it because of the investigation, I don't know how much faith to place in those rumors because others state the kid was running away.

However, I will add that Al Sharpton already plans to visit St. Louis and talk with the family and Benjamin Crump (the lawyer for the Trayvon Martin family) has already been retained.
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It sounds like there was s struggle within the car and his firearm went off at least once within the car. Then I guess the kid backed away and raised his hands, at which time the officer shot him.

This is just me trying to unify separate reports.
 
#50
#50
Burhead said:
I have no sympathy for people who violate law and order, destroy and damage property, and looting. If you want to protest peacefully I'm fully supportive, once you cross the line I support police operations in this instance.
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How many peaceful protests in the last 40 years of this country ever amounted to diddly squat?
 
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