Ferguson Riots

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Can't confirm but saw on twitter that LAPD has just went to full tactical alert whatever that means.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
And this^^^^^ ladies and gentlemen, are why liberals are so frightening. Constitution be damned. Besides, it was written over 200 years ago, so it is old and archaic, and needs to be fundamentally changed.

Rock on huffhines. :loco:
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How in the world do you connect such thought processes with liberalism? By the reckoning of their time, the Founding Fathers were quite liberal, if not radical, in their political views.

I'm more of a liberal person by many measures, and I side with the police officers in both of these recent controversies.

Please don't equate true liberalism with the race-baiting and/or totalitarian misperceptions you may have of it.
 
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Well PMbeers was arrested.

For someone who might know, what happens after you get arrested like that? I know you apparently sit in jail for hours sometimes even after someone posts your bail. What happens after you get out, is that protesting or whatever charge on your permanent record or can you get it removed somehow? Lawyer up?
 
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n_huffhines said:
All I saw is a cop **** up and a 12 year old is dead. I don't need to know the why. I'm not the judge. He'll decide his punishment based on the why, but he'll be ruled guilty because of the what.

There is no reason to handle the situation the way they did. None. Whatsoever. The cop made the fatal mistake before the kid allegedly went for his BB gun.
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If a 10-12 year old boy pulled out a pistol and was aiming at you, what would you do?
 
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Gramps said:
If a 10-12 year old boy pulled out a pistol and was aiming at you, what would you do?
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Precisely. Almost everyone would defend themselves, even if it were a 12-year-old. This is compounded by a mindset of situational awareness and heightened anxiety that would come with the job of a police officer.

Police officers are in an occupation where they are in harm's way and in potential danger of losing their lives every day. That has to affect a person's psyche, making one quicker and more prone to act in self-defense.

It's a tragedy that the kid lost his life, but what do you think happens if you pull a gun on a police officer (even if fake)? The fault lies with the kid and his parents who didn't raise him well enough to not do such a profoundly foolish thing.

The issue has nothing to do with self-defense, and is more about the notion that a white cop should never shoot a black person (even in self-defense against a criminal), because blacks are such a mistreated minority and obviously shouldn't have to follow the law or expect repercussions from breaking the law...

It's all about perceptions. Black people are PERCEIVED (whether rightly or wrongly) as more prone to violence, and thus the actions of others (such as whites, particularly white officers) may match that (mis?)perception. Some people want to blame others for that perception instead of seeking to change that perception.

The frustrating part of these race issues is that there is never a substantial discussion of how BOTH sides can improve relations. Instead, it's mostly about how white people have to change our perceptions and actions.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
It's clear the cops aggressive over the top tactics cost this kid his life. Why on earth do you roll up like that?
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It's clear your over the top outrage over knowing half the facts in the matter is showing yet again. You and Huff suffer from the same liberal mindset to cherry pick what information you want and let your outrage flow because it fits your agenda. Just like liberals do each and every time something happens they don't agree with.

We have a very shoddy video, a radio dispatch and a E911 call. No further information or facts. Yet based on this you have this belief you can already form a judgment. Because that's what you do. Instead of actually waiting to see what else might have transpired and getting all the information to make an informed decision about it, you go off on your rant since the police are automatically wrong in every situation. Just like you did a few days ago when you posted up that BS link about the position of the vehicle in the Ferguson case. You only posted it only because it made Wilson look bad and likely in the wrong.

Why can't you stop using a liberal tactic and wait for all the facts of the matter to come out before damning someone?
 
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Grand Vol said:
It's clear your over the top outrage over knowing half the facts in the matter is showing yet again. You and Huff suffer from the same liberal mindset to cherry pick what information you want and let your outrage flow because it fits your agenda. Just like liberals do each and every time something happens they don't agree with.

We have a very shoddy video, a radio dispatch and a E911 call. No further information or facts. Yet based on this you have this belief you can already form a judgment. Because that's what you do. Instead of actually waiting to see what else might have transpired and getting all the information to make an informed decision about it, you go off on your rant since the police are automatically wrong in every situation. Just like you did a few days ago when you posted up that BS link about the position of the vehicle in the Ferguson case. You only posted it only because it made Wilson look bad and likely in the wrong.

Why can't you stop using a liberal tactic and wait for all the facts of the matter to come out before damning someone?
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The video shows an overly aggressive response period. You say Huff and I are just anti cop and can't see reason when all over the country cops are going ape sh*t on the public. Get over yourself, seriously.

When there is video of the incendent that kinda excludes anything else.
The cops roll up with in 10 feet of the kid and shoot him down. Did the thought ever cross their pig brains to observe from a distance? It's obvious no one else was there, if they heard gun fire that's one thing, but they didn't.
You've trained you know how these things go, you never roll up like that unless it's an imminent threat. In this case there clearly was not.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The video shows an overly aggressive response period. You say Huff and I are just anti cop and can't see reason when all over the country cops are going ape sh*t on the public. Get over yourself, seriously.
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Get over myself? Get over this fantasy world you think exists without some rule of law. You've got this idea that somehow your anarcho-capitalist society is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Wake up and look at the Ferguson pictures to see what happens when you remove law enforcement from the picture.

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When there is video of the incendent that kinda excludes anything else.
The cops roll up with in 10 feet of the kid and shoot him down. Did the thought ever cross their pig brains to observe from a distance?
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How do you know they didn't? Oh, that's right, you don't. Because the video only shows a small glimpse of the entire scene.

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It's obvious no one else was there, if they heard gun fire that's one thing, but they didn't.
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And you know this for a fact? Based again on a shoddy video?

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You've trained you know how these things go, you never roll up like that unless it's an imminent threat. In this case there clearly was not.
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And I don't know that. And neither do you. Radio call of "kid pointing a gun at people on a playground." That's the information they had going in to the situation.

Get over myself? Why don't you try waiting for the facts to come out and get over your own deeply held prejudices.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Get over myself? Get over this fantasy world you think exists without some rule of law. You've got this idea that somehow your anarcho-capitalist society is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Wake up and look at the Ferguson pictures to see what happens when you remove law enforcement from the picture.



How do you know they didn't? Oh, that's right, you don't. Because the video only shows a small glimpse of the entire scene.



And you know this for a fact? Based again on a shoddy video?



And I don't know that. And neither do you. Radio call of "kid pointing a gun at people on a playground." That's the information they had going in to the situation.

Get over myself? Why don't you try waiting for the facts to come out and get over your own deeply held prejudices.
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Wait for the facts when we have a video of exactly what went down? Sure why not.
Do me a favor, before you attack someone's beliefs, how about knowing a little something about them first. Anarcho/capitalist do not believe in no law, they believe in private security that would be provided by the market that would actually be held accountable to their customers, unlike the system of force you endorse.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Wait for the facts when we have a video of exactly what went down? Sure why not.
Do me a favor, before you attack someone's beliefs, how about knowing a little something about them first. Anarcho/capitalist do not believe in no law, they believe in private security that would be provided by the market that would actually be held accountable to their customers, unlike the system of force you endorse.
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Do you believe in candyland too? Go ahead and pay a "private security force" we in the real world call them the mafia.

You have a really shoddy video with no audio. A police dashcam would be more appropriate. How about we wait for some more facts like GV said before outrage. We see full and well what blind outrage does in Ferguson.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
At the end of the day GV, you're just as biased for cops as I am against. Why we even bother is beyond me. It is what it is, have a happy thanksgiving.
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I would think one that is a LEO would see things in a different light than a civilian. There are some bad officers but imo there are many more good officers. That is one profession that I respect tremendously. There are good and bad in every profession, imo.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Do you believe in candyland too? Go ahead and pay a "private security force" we in the real world call them the mafia.

You have a really shoddy video with no audio. A police dashcam would be more appropriate. How about we wait for some more facts like GV said before outrage. We see full and well what blind outrage does in Ferguson.
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Once again, before attacking someone's belief system how about knowing something about it first.
 
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Gramps said:
I would think one that is a LEO would see things in a different light than a civilian. There are some bad officers but imo there are many more good officers. That is one profession that I respect tremendously. There are good and bad in every profession, imo.
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Yeah.
 

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