Ferguson Riots

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Well, this is the ferguson thread there hoss.

If they charge him, fine, if they don't, fine idgaf honestly.
However, I will say, if they do charge him, it would be in their best Interests to set about rounding up everyone responsible for the rioting and looting that occurred. That could take a while (reviewing video footage and all)
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IMO, they'll look into it but in the end I doubt he's charged with anything. As you stated, they'll need to round up everyone responsible at the same time and charge them as well. Unfortunately though, I'm afraid the PC card will come into play and to avoid any additional unrest in the community, no one will be charged.
 
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Also LG do you think the Feds get a civil rights violation charge against Wilson? I'd imagine that would be harder to get than an indictment.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Doesn't bother me? Have you not witnessed me ranting and raving about taxation and government on this forum? It bothers me plenty, there isn't anything I can do about it though.
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No... but you can call for the head of those responsible instead of allowing them to go home unpunished for their actions. And if there are more riots, more people go to jail along with him. It will be a family reunion
 
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1) What he did was clearly wrong. Whether it meets Missouri's statutory definition of incitement to riot I do not know. But in any event it was clearly egging the crowd on.

2) There were probably thousands of people over the course of the last few months who fit that criteria. If you single him out, it looks like its retribution.

3) If you charge him, you just give the violent protestors ammunition to compare the death of a black teen and no indictment versus prosecuting a guy who shouted profanities and urged others to take action.

4) It will result in more violence, not less. It is counterproductive to the notion of deterrence.

5) If you prosecute him and he gets convicted, that does nothing. It does not reverse what occurred. He has no money to pay fines or to pay back the people who lost businesses.

6) If he were convicted and taken to jail, he'd be a martyr/hero to the violent protestors. He'd be a poster child for violence as a solution.


The guy is a caricature of a low class hoodlum. That it would be "right" or "just" isn't the only consideration. I just think that in this particular case, the interests of the community on the whole are far better served in moving on, not perpetuating the antagonism between the police/prosecutors and the community.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Well, my house got broken into a few years ago, insurance took care of me pretty well. I called the cops only because I needed a police report for the insurance company. I generally don't have a lot of use for cops.

They never found those responsible for breaking into my house btw.

As I stated the night of the announcement, I'd have been on top of my business with a rifle. I would have taken out anyone that tried to harm my livelihood.
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Having every major news outlet in North America on the ground with cameras not mention cell phones abroad makes this a little easier than a home break in to solve. Heck, all you heard since Aug was how this was going down.

Your last paragraph is easy to understand as a small business owner myself.
 
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ETV said:
IMO, they'll look into it but in the end I doubt he's charged with anything. As you stated, they'll need to round up everyone responsible at the same time and charge them as well. Unfortunately though, I'm afraid the PC card will come into play and to avoid any additional unrest in the community, no one will be charged.
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Besides, the jail is over flowing now w/those thugs.
 
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This has been circulating. I'm hoping this is someone's photoshop. SMH.
 
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lawgator1 said:
1) What he did was clearly wrong. Whether it meets Missouri's statutory definition of incitement to riot I do not know. But in any event it was clearly egging the crowd on.

2) There were probably thousands of people over the course of the last few months who fit that criteria. If you single him out, it looks like its retribution.

3) If you charge him, you just give the violent protestors ammunition to compare the death of a black teen and no indictment versus prosecuting a guy who shouted profanities and urged others to take action.

4) It will result in more violence, not less. It is counterproductive to the notion of deterrence.

5) If you prosecute him and he gets convicted, that does nothing. It does not reverse what occurred. He has no money to pay fines or to pay back the people who lost businesses.

6) If he were convicted and taken to jail, he'd be a martyr/hero to the violent protestors. He'd be a poster child for violence as a solution.


The guy is a caricature of a low class hoodlum. That it would be "right" or "just" isn't the only consideration. I just think that in this particular case, the interests of the community on the whole are far better served in moving on, not perpetuating the antagonism between the police/prosecutors and the community.
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Like I said of the two they need to go after the mother first, there is a legit case there. The inciting a riot charge is a little more difficult.

Also they are protesting at UT right now and obstructing traffic.
 
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lawgator1 said:
1) What he did was clearly wrong. Whether it meets Missouri's statutory definition of incitement to riot I do not know. But in any event it was clearly egging the crowd on.

2) There were probably thousands of people over the course of the last few months who fit that criteria. If you single him out, it looks like its retribution.

If you have evidence of someones else doing this you seek the same. Does anyone actually believe this guy thought no one had a camera on him at the time?


3) If you charge him, you just give the violent protestors ammunition to compare the death of a black teen and no indictment versus prosecuting a guy who shouted profanities and urged others to take action.

Like that matters. If facts and evidence didn't matter why would this?

4) It will result in more violence, not less. It is counterproductive to the notion of deterrence.

Idiotic on a good day.

5) If you prosecute him and he gets convicted, that does nothing. It does not reverse what occurred. He has no money to pay fines or to pay back the people who lost businesses.

Dumber than 5 and I didn't think was possible at the time of reading

6) If he were convicted and taken to jail, he'd be a martyr/hero to the violent protestors. He'd be a poster child for violence as a solution.

Stretch at best. Is he not considered as violence is the solution now?

The guy is a caricature of a low class hoodlum. That it would be "right" or "just" isn't the only consideration. I just think that in this particular case, the interests of the community on the whole are far better served in moving on, not perpetuating the antagonism between the police/prosecutors and the community.
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The community deserves justice for the idiocy that took place by the looters and arsonists. Or do you believe that law enforcement should stay out of that as well for fear of the repercussions?
 
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Burhead said:
Like I said of the two they need to go after the mother first, there is a legit case there. The inciting a riot charge is a little more difficult.

Also they are protesting at UT right now and obstructing traffic.
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Not the smartest of minds being applied there at UT I see.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
If those people who suffered damage during the riots, if they have insurance they'll be made whole. If not, perhaps they can seek charges against those responsible. Past that, it's time to move on.
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This is a weak ass statement from a self proclaimed anarchist.
 
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And then you have this.



Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan went on a fiery tirade about Ferguson on Saturday — threatening that if the demands of protesters aren’t met, “we’ll tear this ******n country apart!”

Farrakhan stated in his speech — given at Morgan State University, a black college located in Baltimore, Md. — that violence was justified in response to the decision not to indict officer Darren Wilson and peaceful protests are only in the interest of “white folks.
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SpaceCoastVol said:
The fact that you don't get it proves that the sky in your world is a different color.

I think we all get it. Mike Brown was just some poor misunderstood kid that had all the cards stacked against him from the start. And you (and Defend) hate the cops. I just hope you realize that even so, they will be there for you when you need them.
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My nephew and brother law in law are both cops. And I've never in any way defended michael brown.
 
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