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#51
#51
Young and Fisher's contracts are both up at the end of next year. I fully expect Young to be back and Fisher gone. Fisher I expect to leave on his own. Even if Young were to go elsewhere, I think Adams has alienated (sp?) Fisher to the point he is gone no matter what.
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#52
#52
It's well documented that the ONLY reason Young is a Titan is Bud Adams. Not only did Fisher not want him, hardly anyone else on the staff or in management wanted him.
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#53
#53
Bud is part of the problem. I wish these owners would get out of the way and let a coach have control over personnel and coaching decisions. I don't know if i'd take a job willingly knowing that your owner is going to step on your toes over personnel decisions.

Even if he makes the wrong move it's you who gets the ax for his bad move. Being a owner must be great.
 
#54
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VolsSportsFan said:
It's well documented that the ONLY reason Young is a Titan is Bud Adams. Not only did Fisher not want him, hardly anyone else on the staff or in management wanted him.
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You may be correct, but VY has at least been a ton better than the QB Fisher wanted. It doesn't look like any of the three will be a franchise QB though. That pick was doomed to be a bad pick considering how Lienart (sp), Young, and Cutler have progressed so far.
 
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#56
If Fisher and Young are both let go, which one would have a job first?

My money would be on Fisher having a new job within 24 hours, VY would end up sitting around til some random QB goes down with an injury in training camp.
 
#57
#57
MG1968 said:
If Fisher and Young are both let go, which one would have a job first?

My money would be on Fisher having a new job within 24 hours, VY would end up sitting around til some random QB goes down with an injury in training camp.
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Neither would have a job until next season. Coaches are hired before rosters are filled during the offseason, so Fisher would. Both would have a job by the next season though.

I think they will both be Titans next season and Bud will force Fisher to start VY. Fisher will again refuse to support VY, and then we end up with similar results as we're seeing right now. Fisher won't come back the following year once his contract runs out though.
 
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#58
Proud2BaVol said:
I think Bud Adams is the problem. He won't allow his general manager and/or his coaches to do the things that they are hired to do.

Vince Young was Bud's pick. Adams has had a lifelong mancrush on Young. He has talked about how he watched him since high school. I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure it has been documented that Fisher and the general manager at the time wanted someone else, but Adams said no you are taking Young. He has overruled Fisher on numerous occasions since and has picked Young's side over Fisher more than once.

I think another part of Adam's issue is that he continues to try to run the team from Houston, so he isn't around for the day to day crap. He doesn't see how close this team is to spiraling out of control (if it hasn't already happened).

Fisher is a good coach, but at this point (for his sake) the best thing he can do is get through next year to the end of his contract and move on to a better situation. Young will end up being a career killer for any coach he has. I think people will see just how good Fisher is when he gets in a situation where he has more free reign to call the shots himself. Any coach of the Titans is going to find it difficult to win as long as Adams is still alive and/or involved with team ownership.
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Chow absolutely hated the pick, to the point that he was left out of the "War room" in the 2005 draft. Chow was not allowed in the war room on draft day because he told Fisher not to draft Young. Reese wanted Young and so did Bud Adams. Young has a ridiculously slow learning curve, horrible footwork, and quite frankly, laziness. Chow has one of the simplest systems in the country, and Young couldn't fully grasp it. Greg Davis simply abandoned any hope of working on Young's footwork at UTA, and the reads were ridiculously easy. Young was a horrible pick.
 
#59
#59
bam15 said:
Chow absolutely hated the pick, to the point that he was left out of the "War room" in the 2005 draft. Chow was not allowed in the war room on draft day because he told Fisher not to draft Young. Reese wanted Young and so did Bud Adams. Young has a ridiculously slow learning curve, horrible footwork, and quite frankly, laziness. Chow has one of the simplest systems in the country, and Young couldn't fully grasp it. Greg Davis simply abandoned any hope of working on Young's footwork at UTA, and the reads were ridiculously easy. Young was a horrible pick.
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And Young pretty much got Chow fired because he complained to Adams about him.
 
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#63
#63
wow you know you just keep appearing with these one word gem posts and then straight back into the fog, huh?
 
#64
#64
I was all for firing Fisher, until I thought about 2 coaches that would probably leave if it happened, and I changed my mind. Washburn, and Munchak. Those 2 are the best at their respectivve positions in all of football. I don't really think Fisher is the answer here anymore, but those guys are great, and we can ill afford to lose them.
 
#65
#65
Fisher would be doing pretty good if he had a quarterback under 40 or one that wasn't completely incapable of playing the position in the NFL
 
#66
#66
lylsmorr said:
Fisher would be doing pretty good if he had a quarterback under 40 or one that wasn't completely incapable of playing the position in the NFL
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Yeah. You really nailed it there. Collins is Fishers biggest problem.
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volball625 said:
Yeah. You really nailed it there. Collins is Fishers biggest problem.
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Collins is a servicable backup, but he has no business starting. That is just where they are at right now because of Fisher's biggest problem-Young.
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#68
#68
volball625 said:
Yeah. You really nailed it there. Collins is Fishers biggest problem.
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Kerry has done well for us in the past but he's not a starter now. He is meant to be a backup. Fishers problem is the bud adams-vince young lovefest that reminds me of al davis-jamarcus russell
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#69
lylsmorr said:
Kerry has done well for us in the past but he's not a starter now. He meant to be a backup. Fishers problem is the bud adams-vince youbg lovefest that reminds me of al davis-jamarcus russell
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I agree. As much as I hate it. I think the fish is gone after this year.
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#70
#70
I don't care where he goes, he is way to conservative in my mind. It doesn't matter who is the coach here, as long as Bud is still having his love affair with Vince.
 
#71
#71
Yeah i'd say it's over for Fisher in Nashville. I don't see the Titans upgrading at the coaching spot though. No big name or anyone with balls will come here and be told who he has to put under center.

Although there are worse choices to put under center than Young, he's already displayed that when the going gets tough he quits.
 
#72
#72
Cartervol said:
Yeah i'd say it's over for Fisher in Nashville. I don't see the Titans upgrading at the coaching spot though. No big name or anyone with balls will come here and be told who he has to put under center.

Although there are worse choices to put under center than Young, he's already displayed that when the going gets tough he quits.
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It doesn't even take that much with him...
 
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