Fire fulmer

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I think if they were going to do that, it might have been easier to sell if they ran a true reverse where they handed it to a RB who flipped it to a receiver instead of just an end around.
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 22, 2005 11:57 PM
I think if they were going to do that, it might have been easier to sell if they ran a true reverse where they handed it to a RB who flipped it to a receiver instead of just an end around.
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Now this brings up an oft debated issue...in my opinion it wasn't a reverse...it was a counter. Counters are misdirection plays where the flow goes one way but the ball is only handed off once. Reverses are where the ball goes in one direction then comes back ( 2 handoffs)
 
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Good night boys...gotta lot of meeting to do tomorrow...gotta sleep sometime. My apologies to all for my occasional a$$holeness...although it will surely happen again. :birgits_giggle:
 
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Originally posted by mikey@Oct 23, 2005 1:00 AM
Now this brings up an oft debated issue...in my opinion it wasn't a reverse...it was a counter. Counters are misdirection plays where the flow goes one way but the ball is only handed off once.  Reverses are where the ball goes in one direction then comes back ( 2 handoffs)
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It was an end around. The announcers always call it a reverse so I was just playing along. You guys are right in that a true reverse would have been a hand off that was then pitched to the WR.
 
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Fulmer will not go anywhere. But mark it down, someone will get fired over this by season's end.
 
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Originally posted by smokedog#3@Oct 22, 2005 6:59 PM
we need a more agressive coach end of story.  he is not good his excuses will be a joke as usual as he is.  it's time to make a change the sad thing is it will never happen.
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You can jump up and down like a monkey on fire but Fulmer is not going anyhwere...soon.

The process of removing him is years not a half a season.

First, he will be given the opportunity, that he deserves, to right this derailed Vol train. Asuming he doesn't fat himself into the same cardiac problems as majors drank himself into, he's around a while.

He'll fire one or two folks next year and then we will see. Considering that we have no QB, 2006 defense won't be as staunch, and the special teams may continue to suck, time will grow thin and quickly.
 
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I think Fulmer is a problem. The program has slipped noticeably since the 1990s. Need a remind fans that the Vols lost back-to-back Peach Bowls? Both 2002 and 2003 teams were weak--and last year's the team's good record was misleading--the Vols did not play very well in many of the games that they won. The offense has been pretty bad for years, the special teams have been worse--and the OL has //consistently// underachieved. Those of you who think Fulmer is doing fine have not been watchiing the games for the last three years--UT has not played well. There is no excuse for Fulmer letting the special teams go to absolute CRAP--and for letting the OL /underachieve/ year and year. He's supposed to be an OL guru--but he's not. Ultimately, it's his job to hire a first-rate staff and he CLEARLY hasn't done that. He doesn't like changing coaches and the program and the fans are paying the price. Fulmer has always been overrated as a coach, IMO. Since Cutcliffe let, the Vols have been in offensive free-fall and Fulmer has done zero to correct it. And that's just ONE of many problems. The special teams play like high-school units. :shades:
 
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Let's all be honest with ourselves here. Fulmer is not going to get fired. I'll wait for that realization to set in.








Ok, here is my two cents worth. Fulmer was an offensive lineman and played with some good teams. Let Fulmer coach the Oline. If he is responsible for the Oline, chances are that line will be better than good. He won't settle for an average line because it would be embarrassing to him I think.

By Fulmer coaching the Oline, what do we have?? We have ourselves a coaching position open. What can we do with that? We can hire us a special teams teams coach. Not an average one, a great one.

Everyone has to admit even though our offense struggles, that special teams is the thing that's killing us right now. It killed us the UF game, hurt us in the UGA game and the Bama game.

If we didn't have to start behind the 20 on every drive, we might get something done. The shorter the field, the more our chances go up of not making a mistake because we won't run as many plays. Plus you never know, our return guy might score for us or get us in FG range before our first offensive play. That would be nice wouldn't it?

I don't even have to mention how important field position is when playing Fulmer ball. I think that if we had a great special teams, we would only have 1, maybe 2 losses right now. Maybe none.

Rick Clausen would look MUCH better right now if he didn't have to go the distance.
 
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NO< NO< NO you don&#39;t fire the head coach just because you are having a bad season, that is what everybody else does(e.g. FLORIDA, LSU, OLE MISS). Look at what&#39;s your major problem???????????(OFFENSE). We have great players because of the one you want to fire. That does not make sense. We have 3 losses because we can&#39;t score. We have to many offensive penalties, miscues, and bad calls. We have a great defense = DC. We have great recruiting year after year = HEAD COACH. We have a bad offense = OC. That is about as simple as you can put it, and it is not very hard to figure out who needs to go. IT IS NOT PHILLIP FULMER. :td: :td:
 

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Originally posted by missvol@Oct 24, 2005 10:36 AM
NO< NO< NO you don&#39;t fire the head coach just because you are having a bad season, that is what everybody else does(e.g. FLORIDA, LSU, OLE MISS).  Look at what&#39;s your major problem???????????(OFFENSE). We have great players because of the one you want to fire. That does not make sense. We have 3 losses because we can&#39;t score. We have to many offensive penalties, miscues, and bad calls. We have a great defense = DC. We have great recruiting year after year = HEAD COACH. We have a bad offense = OC. That is about as simple as you can put it, and it is not very hard to figure out who needs to go. IT IS NOT PHILLIP FULMER. :td:  :td:
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are you insinuating with the pic that smokey should be fired?
 
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These spoiled Vol fans that think the Vols should be undefeated every year are now calling for Fulmer to get fired. Come back to reality. Fulmer is where is belongs and he is staying there. If you don&#39;t like it, look for another team to throw your expectations at.
 
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Originally posted by missvol@Oct 24, 2005 10:36 AM
NO< NO< NO you don&#39;t fire the head coach just because you are having a bad season, that is what everybody else does(e.g. FLORIDA, LSU, OLE MISS).  Look at what&#39;s your major problem???????????(OFFENSE). We have great players because of the one you want to fire. That does not make sense. We have 3 losses because we can&#39;t score. We have to many offensive penalties, miscues, and bad calls. We have a great defense = DC. We have great recruiting year after year = HEAD COACH. We have a bad offense = OC. That is about as simple as you can put it, and it is not very hard to figure out who needs to go. IT IS NOT PHILLIP FULMER. :td:  :td:
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Right you are my friend&#33;&#33;&#33; I think CPF may need a good dose of reality (change his blind devotion to bad coaches), but I think he stays and we get some fresh faces at OC, Receivers, and Special Teams.
 
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Originally posted by JennVols@Oct 24, 2005 10:46 AM
These spoiled Vol fans that think the Vols should be undefeated every year are now calling for Fulmer to get fired.  Come back to reality.  Fulmer is where is belongs and he is staying there.  If you don&#39;t like it, look for another team to throw your expectations at.
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Absolutely not&#33; Smokey will be the last one standing. I really like that picture from this weeks photo gallery. For it is he who must go&#33; :huggy:
 

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Count me in on the &#39;Keep Fulmer&#39; bandwagon. The guy gets us the players to compete every year and is a better coach than he gets credit for. He didn&#39;t cause either of the fumbles and our gameplan put us in position to defeat an undefeated Alabama squad - we simply didn&#39;t execute the plays. It happens sometimes. I&#39;m glad to have him and would gladly keep him over any other SEC coach.
 
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Some of you guys really have to be kidding if you don&#39;t believe that Fulmer needs to be removed. How can you have some of the best recruting class in the nation and not crush teams like the Florida schools once did. With the talent that Tennessee has there is no excuse why their name shouldn&#39;t be mentioned every year for the national talent. I really believe that if Richt, Spurrier, Coker, Carrol, and Stoops coached the Vols, we would have been the first college to three-peat with regards to the national title. Talent keeps UT ranked, not coaching. I really feel for Chavis because he has one of the top rated defenses in the country, but they will not get their due because of loses caused by the offensive side of the ball. Fulmer may not get cut, but believe me, there someone elses head will roll. Although, it needs to be curtains for him on the Hill.

8 and 9 win seasons isn&#39;t good enough when you have all the best talent in the nation.
 
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OK listen up for all you people who didn&#39;t watch the game against bama. I am normally calm and collective and vary seldom ever reply to this type of stuff but I have an opinion I would like to share. UT came out and played lights out on defense. They were better conditioned and it showed the later in the game against bama&#39;s O line. There offense was more physical from the coaches to the players. They ran more with two tight ends and full house backfields and I formations. This allowed for small but effective plays in the passing game. Other than the brain fart reverse that was called, I believe the coaches took the right approach and hope they continue this in future game. Quit trying to be cute and punch the other team in the mouth. That is what is great about football. I give credit to fulmer and sanders for this and hope this is the new approach from here on out. The problem was a lack of performance from a few players like the two that fumbled the ball inside the ten yard line. If that doesn&#39;t happen, UT wins 17-3 over the # 5 team in the nation and fulmer and sanders get a much deserved vote of confidence from true UT fans. For all you wanting fulmers head and sanders ass, you need to find another team, maybe Notre Dame, they get credit for nothing. I am out of here and for the true UT fans that bleed the orange that counts, 7:45 Saturday is when Steve O’s welcome party starts.

A True UT Fan.
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I dont really buy the arguement we need fulmer for recruiting. lots of coaches with UT&#39;s facilities, stadium, fans, etc could convince prospects to come to UT and play. Fulmer has an advantage other coaches dont have in this area. Other coaches could have success recruiting with these kind of facilities, and support that UT has. Fulmer doesnt deserve all the credit for recruiting. He has a lot of help in this respect in selling UT to potential signees.
 
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i never said fulmer would get fired, i said in my opinion we need a more agressive coach. fulmer is a great recruiter, his coaching style doesn&#39;t fit the talent that he gets. he has gotten a pay raise nearly every year not winning the sec, i have a problem with that. i would pick two of his successors in the sec tubberville and richt, neither i know would never happen, but they are much better coaches. what auburn was thinking of a couple of years ago when they talked about getting rid of tubberville is beyond me. he doesn&#39;t recruit as well as fulmer, but his teams always seem to play better with the talent they have. A coach that is out there is butch davis i think he would be a pretty good fit if i could get over, the whole miami thing. another coach would be telaford from Cal again he seems to gets the best out of his talent, or ucla head coach who i can&#39;t remember his name. i really don&#39;t think sanders is calling the plays for tennessee i think fulmer calls 75 percent of them, that is the reason he won&#39;t let sanders go. this is just my opinion and i think there will be no changes at the end of the season, i also think tennessee will not see another sec championship untill there are some changes made somewhere. these are just my opinions and i know some people won&#39;t share them and i respect that. not writing this because i&#39;m trying to make people mad, just a opinion from avol fan for 25 years.
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 24, 2005 12:25 PM
I dont really buy the arguement we need fulmer for recruiting. lots of coaches with UT&#39;s facilities, stadium, fans, etc could convince prospects to come to UT and play.  Fulmer has an advantage other coaches dont have in this area.  Other coaches could have success recruiting with these kind of facilities, and support that UT has.  Fulmer doesnt deserve all the credit for recruiting.  He has a lot of help in this respect in selling UT to potential signees.
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You need a reality check. UT is not FSU, UM, USC, or Texas. Tennessee produces VERY little in state d-1 prospects...Fulmer gets them in from elsewhere. There are plenty of other schools that have facilities just as good or better than UT&#39;s and they have loads of talent in thier back yards. UT is not a school kids from Florida, California, Georgia or Texas grow up dreaming to play for. Whether you think Fulmer is a good coach or not, he IS a great recruiter, and is widely recognized as such.
 
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Originally posted by vol75@Oct 24, 2005 12:11 PM
Some of you guys really have to be kidding if you don&#39;t believe that Fulmer needs to be removed. How can you have some of the best recruting class in the nation and not crush teams like the Florida schools once did.

8 and 9 win seasons isn&#39;t good enough when you have all the best talent in the nation.
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We don&#39;t get that kind of talent without Fulmer. See email just above, very well said.

 
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We will get the talent no matter who is the Head Coach (within reason). No school can get them all. But if you match our facilities with good x&o coaching, we could do even better at recruiting. Fulmer is holding us back. These kids just want to win and showcase thier talent for the next level. If Fulmer could develop the talent and win the big games. We would have the number one class every year IMO.
 
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Originally posted by holdemvol@Oct 24, 2005 1:00 PM
You need a reality check.  UT is not FSU, UM, USC, or Texas. Tennessee produces VERY little in state d-1 prospects...Fulmer gets them in from elsewhere.  There are plenty of other schools that have facilities just as good or better than UT&#39;s and they have loads of talent in thier back yards.  UT is not a school kids from Florida, California, Georgia or Texas grow up dreaming to play for.  Whether you think Fulmer is a good coach or not, he IS a great recruiter, and is widely recognized as such.
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well said :rock:
 
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Originally posted by TBALLVOL@Oct 24, 2005 1:47 PM
We will get the talent no matter who is the Head Coach (within reason). No school can get them all. But if you match our facilities with good x&o coaching, we could do even better at recruiting. Fulmer is holding us back. These kids just want to win and showcase thier talent for the next level. If Fulmer could develop the talent and win the big games. We would have the number one class every year IMO.
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Are you kidding me? What makes you think UT would have an edge over USC, Texas, Florida, FSU, or Miami with the talent they have in state? Take off the orange glasses for a moment and look at things from the outside. Even the CFB analysts that always seem to have it out for UT at least acknowledge that Fulmer is one of the best recruiters in the country.
 
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