Fisher and Hart

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Spawn said:
No, not at all. Do you think Bamma wanted Neyland if he could have been had? No.

You don't want the enemy's coach no matter how good he may be.
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I'd take the enemy's coach if he were proven to be light-years ahead of where my current head coach abilities lie.
 
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I would take patterson but if he said no.. I would definitely take Fisher. I wouldnt consider him a homerun hire but he is far better than what we have had in the past 5 years..
 
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JFBanicki said:
Well considering the fact that Fisher has done nothing but produce mediocre results with top-notch talent while playing inferior opponents, I hope that FSU keeps him and we get a real top-notch coach.
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So ..............in his 3 years as head coach he has won more than 10 games twice, and is 2-1 against Florida.

I thought the latter might appeal to some Tennessee fans but i guess I'm wrong.
 
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That's the problem. You don't make a hire because he's better than the coach who failed before him. You make a hire because he's the best man for the job. Which is not Jimbo
 
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Chip Kelly won't come to Tennessee because of Nike owner Phil Knight's ties to the Oregon athletic department and because Knight likes Kelly. Gary Patterson wouldn't come here the last time we were hiring, so what makes us think he would be a possible candidate now?

And then there's Bob Stoops. Imagine having your pick between coaching at Oklahoma and Tennessee. Where would you rather coach? At a school that has won six consensus National Championships and countless Big 8/Big 12 conference titles, or at a school like UT that has never had a period of sustained dominance and has only known periods of history where it was dominated by two or more SEC schools (1950s-1991: Alabama and Auburn; 1991-present: Florida; 2000-present: Georgia; 2007-present: Alabama)? It's easier to win at Oklahoma, and I imagine that they would be willing to pay handsomely for the rights to keep him on in Norman as head coach.
 
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Fisher's about to win the ACC.

I don't know if he's the answer, but he's probably as accomplished a candidate as you'll fine.
 
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volfanngaytorland said:
That's the problem. You don't make a hire because he's better than the coach who failed before him. You make a hire because he's the best man for the job. Which is not Jimbo
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Who would you recommend, then? Strong? Patterson? Jimbo Fisher coaches at a big time college football program and knows how to win. Yeah, he might have sucked in the first two years he coached, but he was having to rebuild the mess left by his predecessor, Bobby Bowden. He's got Florida State back in the driver's seat in the ACC, and if he sticks with them next year, I can't fathom him not having them playing better than they did this year. He's 10-2 and on the verge of winning the ACC Championship again for the first time in eight seasons.

Put it to you this way: who's probably going to the Orange Bowl and who maybe not? Fisher, or Strong?
 
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TNGrad2012 said:
Chip Kelly won't come to Tennessee because of Nike owner Phil Knight's ties to the Oregon athletic department and because Knight likes Kelly. Gary Patterson wouldn't come here the last time we were hiring, so what makes us think he would be a possible candidate now?

And then there's Bob Stoops. Imagine having your pick between coaching at Oklahoma and Tennessee. Where would you rather coach? At a school that has won six consensus National Championships and countless Big 8/Big 12 conference titles, or at a school like UT that has never had a period of sustained dominance and has only known periods of history where it was dominated by two or more SEC schools (1950s-1991: Alabama and Auburn; 1991-present: Florida; 2000-present: Georgia; 2007-present: Alabama)? It's easier to win at Oklahoma, and I imagine that they would be willing to pay handsomely for the rights to keep him on in Norman as head coach.
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I agree with this for the most part. I still think patterson could come but it is still a reach though. Stoops has had his share of games he lost he should have won.. I am sure Oklahoma would match any offer we put out anyhow.. I dont see strong leaving louisville plus if we going to slam fisher for losing to NC state dont we have to do the same for him losing to uconn and syracuse? Shaw is not likely to leave Stanford. Didnt hart say something about wanting someone who understood what its takes in win in the SEC.. or something to that effect?
 
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Crazy talk by people desparate for Jon Gruden. I would love to have Gruden, but if he won't come, Fisher is the second best choice. Other candidates:

Strong - Stuggling to win the Big East. Enough said, weakest conference by far.

Patterson - Been to a couple BCS games and now part of the Big 12. Doesn't want to leave TX

Fedora - No discussion needed, Fisher is better.

Stoops - Never leaving. Makes 4.5 all ready no need to risk leaving

Golden - OK coach, not to the level of recruiter that Fisher has proven to be.
 
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Again Go to scout and check out the past 5 years of recruiting classes. I'll help you out starting with 2012 back to 2008 they are respectively 11, 1, 9, 18 and 8. He has talent and depth and can't win a VERY weak ACC.
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VolBeef88 said:
Again Go to scout and check out the past 5 years of recruiting classes. I'll help you out starting with 2012 back to 2008 they are respectively 11, 1, 9, 18 and 8. He has talent and depth and can't win a VERY weak ACC.
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And Stong is 23 - 14 in 3 years in the weakest Big East.

What is your point?

I'll take a recruiter like Fisher every day
 
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Spawn said:
And Stong is 23 - 14 in 3 years in the weakest Big East.

What is your point?

I'll take a recruiter like Fisher every day
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Apple meet orange. How many top 10 classes has Louisville had in the last 5 years? I'll hang up and listen...
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VolBeef88 said:
Apple meet orange. How many top 10 classes has Louisville had in the last 5 years? I'll hang up and listen...
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LOL, good times. Your making my point. Louisville isn't getting top ten classes and Fla St is under Fisher. That alone makes me want him over Strong from recruiting if nothing else.

At the end of the day, I don't think you or I get to pick. Fun debating with you though
 
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Spawn said:
LOL, good times. Your making my point. Louisville isn't getting top ten classes and Fla St is under Fisher. That alone makes me want him over Strong from recruiting if nothing else.

At the end of the day, I don't think you or I get to pick. Fun debating with you though
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You think recruiting to Louisville is the same as recruiting to FSU? Again apples and oranges. A damned cement block can recruit Florida kids to FSU. He has all that talent and STILL loses every year to the likes of NC State.
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VolBeef88 said:
Really? Go to scout and check out the past 5 years of recruiting classes. I'll help you out starting with 2012 back to 2008 they are respectively 11, 1, 9, 18 and 8. He has talent and depth and can't win a VERY weak ACC. But hey LOL all you want. You probably defended Dooley's Dumb A$$ too.
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If you really want to go there...

2008 #8 class:
5-star (Corey Surrency) JUCO and was only given 1 year of eligibility and was gone by the time Jimbo was head coach.
4-star Tavares Pressley top JUCO RB missed 2008 and 2010 with multiple acl tears.
4-star British Footman signed but didn't qualify.
4-star Moses McCray has been injured virtually his entire career at FSU(multiple knees).
4-star Jarmon Fortson(#1 receiver) kicked off the team after Jimbo's first year.
4-star Nigel Carr(starting linebacker) kicked off the team before this season.
4-star Avis Commack broke his leg running track and sat out 1 season and was kicked off in Jimbo's second year.

2009 #18 class:
4-star Willie Downs failed to qualify
4-star CJ Mizell didn't make it on campus due to legal issues
5-star Jacobbi McDaniel broke foot halfway through 2011 and missed entire 2012 season.
4-star Greg Reid was outstanding until he got kicked off the team before his senior season.

So the "great" recruiting class of 2008 was decimated, and the 2009 class was probably in the 20's or 30's after Downs and Mizell didn't make it to campus. The only reason 2012 isn't a top 10 class is that FSU only signed 18(Jameis Winston, Eddie Goldman, Justin Shanks, Chris Casher, Mario Edwards, Jr., and Mario Pender are pretty outstanding...).

So, really, My point stands that all recruiting classes that Jimbo has put together have been outstanding. Bowden had a habit of signing awesome classes and then the 3-4 stud recruits wouldn't qualify.

Let's not forget that FSU lost an All-American Defensive end Brandon Jenkins, AA Punt Returner Greg Reid, and Starting Linebacker Nigel Carr before this season got underway.

You cite how weak the ACC is, but have you looked at the margin of those ACC losses?

FSU's only ACC loss this year was to NCSU. FSU was leading 16-0 at half time and played not-to-lose and lost by 1 point in the final minute.

I would say that Jimbo has underachieved by one loss in each of his first 3 seasons. I think that is acceptable for a coach in his first Head coaching job, as long as the program is improving. I think you'd have to be stupid or blind not to agree that FSU is moving in the right direction under Jimbo.
 
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fangsout said:
If you really want to go there...

2008 #8 class:
5-star (Corey Surrency) JUCO and was only given 1 year of eligibility and was gone by the time Jimbo was head coach.
4-star Tavares Pressley top JUCO RB missed 2008 and 2010 with multiple acl tears.
4-star British Footman signed but didn't qualify.
4-star Moses McCray has been injured virtually his entire career at FSU(multiple knees).
4-star Jarmon Fortson(#1 receiver) kicked off the team after Jimbo's first year.
4-star Nigel Carr(starting linebacker) kicked off the team before this season.
4-star Avis Commack broke his leg running track and sat out 1 season and was kicked off in Jimbo's second year.

2009 #18 class:
4-star Willie Downs failed to qualify
4-star CJ Mizell didn't make it on campus due to legal issues
5-star Jacobbi McDaniel broke foot halfway through 2011 and missed entire 2012 season.
4-star Greg Reid was outstanding until he got kicked off the team before his senior season.

So the "great" recruiting class of 2008 was decimated, and the 2009 class was probably in the 20's or 30's after Downs and Mizell didn't make it to campus. The only reason 2012 isn't a top 10 class is that FSU only signed 18(Jameis Winston, Eddie Goldman, Justin Shanks, Chris Casher, Mario Edwards, Jr., and Mario Pender are pretty outstanding...).

So, really, My point stands that all recruiting classes that Jimbo has put together have been outstanding. Bowden had a habit of signing awesome classes and then the 3-4 stud recruits wouldn't qualify.

Let's not forget that FSU lost an All-American Defensive end Brandon Jenkins, AA Punt Returner Greg Reid, and Starting Linebacker Nigel Carr before this season got underway.

You cite how weak the ACC is, but have you looked at the margin of those ACC losses?

FSU's only ACC loss this year was to NCSU. FSU was leading 16-0 at half time and played not-to-lose and lost by 1 point in the final minute.

I would say that Jimbo has underachieved by one loss in each of his first 3 seasons. I think that is acceptable for a coach in his first Head coaching job, as long as the program is improving. I think you'd have to be stupid or blind not to agree that FSU is moving in the right direction under Jimbo.
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You'd have to be a damned fool to not realize that FSU has had the most talent in the ACC by a HUGE margin and still loses. FSU had the easiest road to the national title and flopped yet again. He's a over rated piece of garbage and I hope we don't get his under achieving a$$ on our sideline.
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VolBeef88 said:
You think recruiting to Louisville is the same as recruiting ot FSU? Again apple and oranges. A damned cement block can recruit Florida kids to FSU. He has all that talent and STILL loses every year to the like of NC State.
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Tell me about how easy it is to sign the top QB out of Alabama these days? Meet Jameis Winston.

Or how about a top DT from DC? Meet Eddie Goldman.

5 star Corner Back from Maryland? That's Ronald Darby.

Tyler Hunter and Telvin Smith from Georgia.

Chris Casher and Justin Shanks from Alabama.

There is no doubt that recruiting is easier in-state. But, Fisher goes out and gets great players from Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina. I would think that might be attractive to a UT fan...but what do I know...
 
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fangsout said:
Tell me about how easy it is to sign the top QB out of Alabama these days? Meet Jameis Winston.

Or how about a top DT from DC? Meet Eddie Goldman.

5 star Corner Back from Maryland? That's Ronald Darby.

Tyler Hunter and Telvin Smith from Georgia.

Chris Casher and Justin Shanks from Alabama.

There is no doubt that recruiting is easier in-state. But, Fisher goes out and gets great players from Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina. I would think that might be attractive to a UT fan...but what do I know...
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I think VolBeef88 doesn't like to look at facts. Seems he just doesn't like Fisher no matter what he has done. I for one would take him as our HC today.
 
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fangsout said:
Tell me about how easy it is to sign the top QB out of Alabama these days? Meet Jameis Winston.

Or how about a top DT from DC? Meet Eddie Goldman.

5 star Corner Back from Maryland? That's Ronald Darby.

Tyler Hunter and Telvin Smith from Georgia.

Chris Casher and Justin Shanks from Alabama.

There is no doubt that recruiting is easier in-state. But, Fisher goes out and gets great players from Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina. I would think that might be attractive to a UT fan...but what do I know...
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You don't know much. Again recruiting to FSU is light years easier than recruiting to Louisville. Also what has your hero Fisher done with all his talent? I'll answer for you. He's under achieved every damned year.
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