Florida suspends 7 for Michigan game

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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
It is?

Bama had an incident 10 years ago where players used scholarship money to buy books and then sell them for profit.

Each player was suspended for balance of season (I believe 5 games).

If these players reported cards stolen to get reissued, they purchased goods with stolen money. That would be a felony act and very punishable.

Here's what needs to be determined. Did they report cards stolen to get fraudulent funds for which they purchased goods? If question is yes, did they sell the goods? That would make it a worse felony offense and all would be dismissed.
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It's unclear at this point if the players reported the cards stolen to defraud the university.

We do know they spent CoA money on stuff the friendly neighborhood bagman usually pays for.

Some of these kids are too stupid to know what a paper trail looks like.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
It is?

Bama had an incident 10 years ago where players used scholarship money to buy books and then sell them for profit.

Each player was suspended for balance of season (I believe 5 games).

If these players reported cards stolen to get reissued, they purchased goods with stolen money. That would be a felony act and very punishable.

Here's what needs to be determined. Did they report cards stolen to get fraudulent funds for which they purchased goods? If question is yes, did they sell the goods? That would make it a worse felony offense and all would be dismissed.
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I've been reading the Florida boards and the stark dichotomy is interesting. Fans are either "meh, this is no big deal," or "this is ridiculous, they should be off the team." There is almost no middle ground, at all.

For my part, I think booting them needs to be given serious consideration. Its not enough to say that they are learning, and this can be corrected, and they are only hurting themselves. Bullcrap. They are hurting the players around them that are following the rules. They are hurting the reputation of their other team members and to a lesser degree the university on the whole.

Had they stolen some student's credit card and done this, or stolen money from a lady living around the corner, they'd be off the team. That it was not a third person student or community member who was victimized in the sense of actually having something stolen is small measure of comfort to me. The intent was there to defraud, and there was a scheme to do so.

I just cannot live with that, if I'm the coach.

I'm not going anywhere as a fan. This is not the first time nor the last that this kind of thing occurs at UF or elsewhere. So I guess we can invoke the "Everybody does it" refrain. I just wish we had a coach who would stand up one day and say, "I don't care if everyone does it. We don't."
 
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lawgator1 said:
I've been reading the Florida boards and the stark dichotomy is interesting. Fans are either "meh, this is no big deal," or "this is ridiculous, they should be off the team." There is almost no middle ground, at all.

For my part, I think booting them needs to be given serious consideration. Its not enough to say that they are learning, and this can be corrected, and they are only hurting themselves. Bullcrap. They are hurting the players around them that are following the rules. They are hurting the reputation of their other team members and to a lesser degree the university on the whole.

Had they stolen some student's credit card and done this, or stolen money from a lady living around the corner, they'd be off the team. That it was not a third person student or community member who was victimized in the sense of actually having something stolen is small measure of comfort to me. The intent was there to defraud, and there was a scheme to do so.

I just cannot live with that, if I'm the coach.

I'm not going anywhere as a fan. This is not the first time nor the last that this kind of thing occurs at UF or elsewhere. So I guess we can invoke the "Everybody does it" refrain. I just wish we had a coach who would stand up one day and say, "I don't care if everyone does it. We don't."
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One of the few times I can agree with a Florida fan! lol Bottom line to me is players, like everybody else, needs to understand negative actions have negative consequences and positive actions have positive consequences.

Unfortunately, in society today, people are allowed to perform inappropriate behavior and excuses are made like "well everybody else does it" which in it's own way tells everyone it is appropriate behavior.

You are correct in my book!
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GoVols15 said:
One of the few times I can agree with a Florida fan! lol Bottom line to me is players, like everybody else, needs to understand negative actions have negative consequences and positive actions have positive consequences.

Unfortunately, in society today, people are allowed to perform inappropriate behavior and excuses are made like "well everybody else does it" which in it's own way tells everyone it is appropriate behavior.

You are correct in my book!
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The main reason this keeps happening, at UF and elsewhere, is short term memory. If the Gators win the SECe and otherwise have a good season, no one cares in a few months.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
It was $150K of Apple watches, iPads and other electronics from Best Buy.

The players sold most of the merchandise, reported some of it stolen and received approximately $25K in refunds which was used to finance a deep sea fishing expedition for Coach McElwain.

This won't end well for us.

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Solid.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
It's unclear at this point if the players reported the cards stolen to defraud the university.

We do know they spent CoA money on stuff the friendly neighborhood bagman usually pays for.

Some of these kids are too stupid to know what a paper trail looks like.
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Cant tell the difference between it and rolling paper.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I've been reading the Florida boards and the stark dichotomy is interesting. Fans are either "meh, this is no big deal," or "this is ridiculous, they should be off the team." There is almost no middle ground, at all.
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Callaway should be off the team given this combined with his past transgressions. From a purely practical, self-interested perspective (i.e., not taking into consideration what the "right thing to do" is) you have to wonder if Callaway's trouble exceeds his talent at this point.

He's talented, but he's not like a Jameis Winston where if you kicked him off your team your chances of having the season you want are pretty much zero. Forget Jameis being a regular FSU student or guy who never saw the field - if he were a productive, say, runningback or linebacker, he also probably would have been kicked off the team given how much trouble he got into and the heat the school took over it.

As far as the others, assuming this is their first screw up, a one game suspension (admittedly for a big game) does seem a little light considering what they did. IMO, it's worse than failing a drug test. As others have pointed out, if a regular UF student did what they did they would surely be kicked out of school immediately.
 
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05_never_again said:
Callaway should be off the team given this combined with his past transgressions. From a purely practical, self-interested perspective (i.e., not taking into consideration what the "right thing to do" is) you have to wonder if Callaway's trouble exceeds his talent at this point.

He's talented, but he's not like a Jameis Winston where if you kicked him off your team your chances of having the season you want are pretty much zero. Forget Jameis being a regular FSU student or guy who never saw the field - if he were a productive, say, runningback or linebacker, he also probably would have been kicked off the team given how much trouble he got into and the heat the school took over it.

As far as the others, assuming this is their first screw up, a one game suspension (admittedly for a big game) does seem a little light considering what they did. IMO, it's worse than failing a drug test. As others have pointed out, if a regular UF student did what they did they would surely be kicked out of school immediately.
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In principle I do not disagree with you.

I suppose I would like to know more details about what he did before passing final judgment on it. If it was multiple times and they tried to cover their tracks, that's worse than if it was a one off and debatable whether they did anything wrong.

I've read two different things. One was that they made charges which were legitimate benefits, then claimed the card was stolen, so they got new benefits. The other was that they bought things they were or were not allowed to buy, and then sold them for cash.

Both are bad, but the former is worse in my opinion because it is more devious and involves an intentional plan to defraud the University.
 
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Callaway is a future inmate.

Just an idiot that pulls other players down with him. Florida would be smart to cut ties with that one despite how talented he might be
 
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lawgator1 said:
I've read two different things. One was that they made charges which were legitimate benefits, then claimed the card was stolen, so they got new benefits. The other was that they bought things they were or were not allowed to buy, and then sold them for cash.

Both are bad, but the former is worse in my opinion because it is more devious and involves an intentional plan to defraud the University.
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Agreed
 
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What there should be is some sort of across the board policy from the NCAA or individual conferences that define penalties and punishments for various acts.

That way it's handled the same everywhere and it's out of people's hands.

More difficult now because there is more reporting and less fact available. Privacy act protects the kid but also covers the rear of the school.

Kind of like something being "top secret". Can't disclose information about it because it's top secret so it comes to a screeching halt
 
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99gator said:
What there should be is some sort of across the board policy from the NCAA or individual conferences that define penalties and punishments for various acts.

That way it's handled the same everywhere and it's out of people's hands.

More difficult now because there is more reporting and less fact available. Privacy act protects the kid but also covers the rear of the school.

Kind of like something being "top secret". Can't disclose information about it because it's top secret so it comes to a screeching halt
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Yeah, because the NCAA has a history of being so even handed.
 
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99gator said:
What there should be is some sort of across the board policy from the NCAA or individual conferences that define penalties and punishments for various acts.

That way it's handled the same everywhere and it's out of people's hands.

More difficult now because there is more reporting and less fact available. Privacy act protects the kid but also covers the rear of the school.

Kind of like something being "top secret". Can't disclose information about it because it's top secret so it comes to a screeching halt
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That will never happen
 
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