FL's QB battle

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Sounds like Zaire expected to walk in to Gainsville and just be handed the QB1 job. This is from a guy who has not played an entire season of football in 4 years of college. He has attempted a total of 98 passes in his entire college career. Now he is salty because he is getting beat out or will have to share snaps.

I don't believe any of them are separating themselves as the starter and that is why CJM doesn't have a leader. I think all three guys are equally as bad as each other. I would have expected the Franks kid to run away with the job with a red shirt year under his belt and highly recruited out of HS. Most of the reports I have read indicate the QB's have been good at times but all three have stunk it up at times and CJM is trying to pick between the lesser of three evils. Even if he does know who it is going to be, he will wait to announce right before the game. He wouldn't be very smart if he did announce it right now.
 
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I think Del Rio if the guy. If none of them have separated themselves yet, and it truly is a 3 way race.

Mac will go with the experienced guy.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Okay, LW, let me rephrase.

Mac doesn't exactly seem to have a good track record with picking and choosing QBs, especially grad transfers. I mean, Franks came out of HS and should have been beating the brakes off everyone on that roster after an RS year. And maybe Mac is pulling a fast one and the kid is a Heisman contender by week 4. But...it does give me pause for thought.
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If Franks doesn't pan out, that's on Mac. If Corrall turns out to be a bust, Mac will likely be gone no later than 2020.

Outside of those two, I don't begrudge any high profile high school QB for looking elsewhere immediately following the Muschamp years.

Grad transfers are hit/miss. Appleby turned out to be as expected, at times better than Del Rio. To another poster's point, Zaire almost expected to be crowned the starter from day one, competition be damned.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Grad transfers are hit/miss. Appleby turned out to be as expected, at times better than Del Rio. To another poster's point, Zaire almost expected to be crowned the starter from day one, competition be damned.
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Not to justify Zaire's thinking, but he probably assumed that he'd be the starter considering he'd already "won" (by virtue of Golson getting benched and eventually transferring) a starting job at another big school.

Zaire has actually never technically won a QB position battle. He lost to Golson in 2014, was the starter in 2015 because Golson transferred, and lost to Kizer in 2016.

He really must not be very good if he can't separate himself from Franks and Del Rio. Perhaps none of them are very good.
 
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We need to be thinking about some sustained success, imo. So while I understand that perhaps Del Rio is slightly ahead of Franks right now, I'd rather see us start and play Franks so that he hopefully improves by the start of SEC play, with some good packages for Zaire, too.

We need to do this if for no other reason that to show Corral that we have in mind that once a young QB starts, he will have full opportunity to run the show. I think it sends a bad message to Corral and to other potential recruits to juggle these QBs.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
If Franks doesn't pan out, that's on Mac. If Corrall turns out to be a bust, Mac will likely be gone no later than 2020.

Outside of those two, I don't begrudge any high profile high school QB for looking elsewhere immediately following the Muschamp years.

Grad transfers are hit/miss. Appleby turned out to be as expected, at times better than Del Rio. To another poster's point, Zaire almost expected to be crowned the starter from day one, competition be damned.
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I agree grad transfers are hit and miss, though unless they are exceptional at the prior college, they don't tend to start. Trevor Knight is an exception to that rule off the top of my head.
 
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lawgator1 said:
We need to be thinking about some sustained success, imo. So while I understand that perhaps Del Rio is slightly ahead of Franks right now, I'd rather see us start and play Franks so that he hopefully improves by the start of SEC play, with some good packages for Zaire, too.

We need to do this if for no other reason that to show Corral that we have in mind that once a young QB starts, he will have full opportunity to run the show. I think it sends a bad message to Corral and to other potential recruits to juggle these QBs.
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You have the memory of a goldfish. :)

[that's not me talking, that's Del Rio's response to you]
 
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lawgator1 said:
We need to be thinking about some sustained success, imo. So while I understand that perhaps Del Rio is slightly ahead of Franks right now, I'd rather see us start and play Franks so that he hopefully improves by the start of SEC play, with some good packages for Zaire, too.

We need to do this if for no other reason that to show Corral that we have in mind that once a young QB starts, he will have full opportunity to run the show. I think it sends a bad message to Corral and to other potential recruits to juggle these QBs.
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Just heard a talking head on the radio say Mac was just playing his game and has his starter.

I'm not buying it. If he is, Zaire doesn't know anything about it by his reactions. And didn't Del Rio say if you have 3 QBs you've got 0 QBs? If Mac is telling the truth or not, he's driving a wedge inbetween the 3 QBs.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
If Franks doesn't pan out, that's on Mac. If Corrall turns out to be a bust, Mac will likely be gone no later than 2020.
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I'd also like to add, I've love for UT to hasten his departure from UF by adding a loss to your season this year.

May your future be filled with Dooleys and Muschamps.
 
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orange_vol1321 said:
just heard a talking head on the radio say mac was just playing his game and has his starter.

I'm not buying it. If he is, zaire doesn't know anything about it by his reactions. And didn't del rio say if you have 3 qbs you've got 0 qbs? If mac is telling the truth or not, he's driving a wedge inbetween the 3 qbs.
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Just because Mac hasn't named a starter, doesn't mean he doesn't know who his starter will be.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I doubt Malik Zaire is qualified to know what's ultimately best for the team, because at times what's best for the team might not be best for him personally. That's difficult to reconcile when you're in the middle of it all.

Personally I think Mac is playing mind games, and has a pretty good idea of who will start against Michigan.
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This.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Just because Mac hasn't named a starter, doesn't mean he doesn't know who his starter will be.
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I think the point is as a coach you don't come out and say all 3 will play if you know you have your starter.

On the other hand, he may be wanting to play all 3 and keep them interested fearing one or two may transfer.
 
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Seems pretty obvious to me. Zaire might be able to provide a wrinkle to the offense with his legs for a few plays but he's not going to win you games. Del Rio will probably protect the ball the best and provide the most consistency but can the offense score enough with him at QB? Considering the defense will likely fall off some from last year, playing it safe on offense might get you beat. Franks is the most talented but it might take until halfway through the season for everything to click for him.

I would go with Franks, take my lumps, and hope the game experience produces the improvement he needs. I bet Jim "Shark-f'er" McElwain goes with Del Rio and prays his defense is good enough to ride through the season again.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
I think the point is as a coach you don't come out and say all 3 will play if you know you have your starter.

On the other hand, he may be wanting to play all 3 and keep them interested fearing one or two may transfer.
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Disagree with everything you posted.

As a coach you keep your players hungry and competitive, especially if there's a 50/50 chance your starter is a first year starter. And as far as annoucning the starter now, what sense does it make to give Michigan time to focus on one QB versus the other two?

Seeing as how this season hasn't started yet, I seriously doubt Mac is worried about a QB transferring next season. That's not how coaches are wired.
 
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utvols83 said:
Seems pretty obvious to me. Zaire might be able to provide a wrinkle to the offense with his legs for a few plays but he's not going to win you games. Del Rio will probably protect the ball the best and provide the most consistency but can the offense score enough with him at QB? Considering the defense will likely fall off some from last year, playing it safe on offense might get you beat. Franks is the most talented but it might take until halfway through the season for everything to click for him.

I would go with Franks, take my lumps, and hope the game experience produces the improvement he needs. I bet Jim "Shark-f'er" McElwain goes with Del Rio and prays his defense is good enough to ride through the season again.
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We're on the same page.

If Del Rio and Franks are even or close, start Franks.

My views on Zaire at this point are well documented. :)
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Disagree with everything you posted.

As a coach you keep your players hungry and competitive, especially if there's a 50/50 chance your starter is a first year starter. And as far as annoucning the starter now, what sense does it make to give Michigan time to focus on one QB versus the other two?

Seeing as how this season hasn't started yet, I seriously doubt Mac is worried about a QB transferring next season. That's not how coaches are wired.
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My point is he's pissing all three of them off. Look at Zaires and Del Rios comments.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
My point is he's pissing all three of them off. Look at Zaires and Del Rios comments.
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I'm of the opinion that he just doesn't know who to start.

Because if he was just playing coy to throw Harbaugh off, he would have at least told his QBs the plan....to prevent a toxic relationship forming in the QB room.

Clearly Zaire and Del Rio weren't informed of any media games Mcelwain is trying to play.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
My point is he's pissing all three of them off. Look at Zaires and Del Rios comments.
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McElwain isn't "pissing all three of them off".

Del Rio isn't pissed off at McElwain, he's pissed off at UF fans who question whether he's the right guy to start.

Zaire is pissed he wasn't handed the job.

Franks hasn't said a word.

I disagree with your point.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
McElwain isn't "pissing all three of them off".

Del Rio isn't pissed off at McElwain, he's pissed off at UF fans who question whether he's the right guy to start.

Zaire is pissed he wasn't handed the job.

Franks hasn't said a word.

I disagree with your point.
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Franks may not have told you that you have the memory of a goldfish, but I'm not sure he's a happy camper.

They're probably all pissed off. At the coach, each other, the goldfish, errbody. :)
 
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