Follow the Logic - QB

#51
#51
Volbrando said:
What happens if at the UTSA game
Milton starts and they eventually put in Nico or Moore and they run the offense better and light up the scoreboard? That could raise more questions if they don’t make a change.
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I'm concerned if TN can run up a score against UTSA that is sufficient to warrant using back ups. No blue font.
 
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#52
#52
BisonVol said:
Couldn’t disagree more just for the unfortunate reality that the OL isn’t going to get it together. They’ll get a touch better when Coop gets back, but they’ll still be below average. That unit is what it is. Honestly, next season’s offensive line could very easily be worse that this one as we will be losing Cooper, Spraggins, and I believe Karic as well. We have some young players that should be ready to battle there next year if they are being developed. GBO

I say that just to make the point that the OL being bad isn’t an excuse not to make the change if Joe isn’t getting it done. Now, I don’t have a clue if Nico is better or not. We’ve not seen enough of him to know. What we do know is that Joe is pretty average. He makes a few nice plays here and there, but he has several limitations and usually doesn’t make the pieces around him better.

All of that to say, if the coaches think Joe is our best shot, then cool. Ride with the guy that gives you the best chance to win . But don’t sit Nico just because the OL isn’t any good. We’re probably two or three years away from having a good offensive line unless we make hay in the portal. Nico is going to have to either learn to play behind a mediocre OL or, Heaven forbid, leave and go elsewhere. No time like the present to learn imo.
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We don’t lose Karic. He is just a junior. We have also recruited fairly well at O-Line last 2 years. And I bet we attack portal for and OT or DT that we think can help us this next cycle. Players and offensive lines do and can improve, it takes time to mesh sometimes. That doesn’t mean the line is going to stay bad. Getting our starting center back alone would help things greatly. Great quarterbacks make O-Lines better. Especially instinctive quarterbacks that have a quick release and quick feet and super fast. No line protects great all the time, sure you want him to play smart and get down. But he has to get some experience and you can’t worry about injuries. GBO
 
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#53
#53
Having a more mobile quarterback will only help the offensive line. Joe has to react more be willing to run more and run harder. He is a 6 year senior who the team needs to play all out. If your struggling with the throws take sone runs. Good grief he is 240-250 and most of the time runs scared. I see smaller quarterbacks take off and run aggressively but smart. He can at least give us honest runs and he isn’t doing that enough either and that is something that would make defenses think twice about but Milton is too reluctant and he also needs 2-3 big strides to get going but that is just another thing. But when he has a lot of daylight he needs to take it.
 
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#55
Woodlawn VOL said:
We don’t lose Karic. He is just a junior. We have also recruited fairly well at O-Line last 2 years. And I bet we attack portal for and OT or DT that we think can help us this next cycle. Players and offensive lines do and can improve, it takes time to mesh sometimes. That doesn’t mean the line is going to stay bad. Getting our starting center back alone would help things greatly. Great quarterbacks make O-Lines better. Especially instinctive quarterbacks that have a quick release and quick feet and super fast. No line protects great all the time, sure you want him to play smart and get down. But he has to get some experience and you can’t worry about injuries. GBO
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Exactly. This right here. The office of line play has been subpar this year but the biggest issue with them has been penalties. They actually have passed protected pretty well. It’s not like Miltons out there getting hit on every play. He’s only been sacked a handful of times through three games. And if you have a suspect offense of line, the best thing you can possibly do is put a good athlete in at quarterback. Sometimes those defensive lineman pin in their ears back and coming up filled hard works to the disadvantage when there’s an athletic quarterback, that knows how to climb the pocket.
 
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#56
#56
Woodlawn VOL said:
We don’t lose Karic. He is just a junior. We have also recruited fairly well at O-Line last 2 years. And I bet we attack portal for and OT or DT that we think can help us this next cycle. Players and offensive lines do and can improve, it takes time to mesh sometimes. That doesn’t mean the line is going to stay bad. Getting our starting center back alone would help things greatly. Great quarterbacks make O-Lines better. Especially instinctive quarterbacks that have a quick release and quick feet and super fast. No line protects great all the time, sure you want him to play smart and get down. But he has to get some experience and you can’t worry about injuries. GBO
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Think what concerns me about the OL is the fact that the 2022 class just looks bad on the OL as of now. We’re not hearing anything about Clipper, Reddick, Grant, or Nichols. None of them are in the rotation unless I’ve missed something which is pretty telling about where those guys are in their development. At this point, I don’t think it’s an overreaction to say that it would be a big win if just two of those guys panned out to be decent players here.

I agree 100% with your last point. A bad offensive line can’t be your only reason for not playing Nico if he’s better, which perhaps he isn’t. I’m a self confessed dullard, but I just think this team needs a guy at QB who can create and extend plays with his legs. Joe can’t do that. That’s not his game. If he was an elite pocket passer, you could probably work around the limitations he has when it comes to making plays with his legs. He’s not an elite pocket passer, though.He makes a few elite throws along the way, but he also throws too many worm burners and air mailers.

Bottom line: Joe is an average, maybe slightly above average, pocket passer. If that’s the best we got, I’m fine with playing him. Just think we will end up seeing as the season progresses that he isn’t the best option we have.
 
#57
#57
Fullfillmer said:
While all of what you say is true - Milton doesn't run the offense very well. He doesn't make good heady qb type decisions. He is out there, he is a good guy, he doesn't fumble, he can complete some passes - we will never score more than 20 something points with him at the helm. Not only does our offense have to change because of challenges with him running the offense, the defense also must change. We can't afford to play a bend but don't break style on defense, because we aren't going to score a lot of points.

There are huge risks by playing Nico early. But he probably has the talent to really help the team. I would play them both which isn't a perfect solution either. Rock meet hard place.
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You're sure of that?

I actually agree with the concern that Milton is like JG between the ears. We will soon know. But UT has scored 30 or more in 4 of Milton's last 5 starts.
 
#58
#58
a question was asked tonight about playing Nico and Hubbs reply was:

There is not great disappointment with Joe from the staff. Not meaning he is perfect but he improved from week 2 to week 3.

Don't look for Nico to get meaningful snaps as long as Joe is healthy.
 
#59
#59
C-south said:
A qb that throws a ball in he dirt on 4th and 6 gives us the best chance to win?
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By and large yes, Joe is far from perfect but he is still better than a kid who hasnt been there a full year yet even if his potential is thru the roof.
 
#60
#60
VolBricks said:
We all have seen the play of Joe Milton during the first 3 games. Some/most of us are ready to see Nico have more snaps during meaningful games. I think Heuple/Halzle agree with us and have since before the season. Here is where logic (or the lack thereof) comes in: On Sept 6th Heupel said that Nico was not redshirting this season and that the coaching staff would play him "when the opportunity arose"

tennessee.rivals.com

Vols' freshman QB Nico Iamaleava will not redshirt, Josh Heupel says

The Vols' highly touted freshman QB is expected to see the field plenty this season.
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I think Heupel/Halzle already knew that Milton was not going to be a top tier QB in the SEC and knew they would wind up playing Nico sooner or later this season if Milton played like he has. Otherwise why would you not say we plan to play Nico in 4 games (unless there is an injury to Milton) and move on, Why waste a redshirt year if you do not plan to play him?

I am not saying bench Milton and play Nico starting with UTSA and ride him no matter what. I disagree with this and think we should see a few series for Nico over the next few games that are planned out and the plays are scripted to his strengths to "break" him in to college/SEC play.
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They know Nico is going to be to good to be here 5 years. Redshirting him is pointless
 
#61
#61
LWSVOL said:
a question was asked tonight about playing Nico and Hubbs reply was:

There is not great disappointment with Joe from the staff. Not meaning he is perfect but he improved from week 2 to week 3.

Don't look for Nico to get meaningful snaps as long as Joe is healthy.
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In other words:
The staff ain’t as dumb as y’all QB gurus on here calling for the next/great every year.

They know QB issue is about #3-4 down on the offensive problems
 
#62
#62
My point is Nico can dink/dunk just like Milton with or without a good OL. We have not been throwing it downfield with Milton and his cannon for an arm.
 
#63
#63
VolBricks said:
We all have seen the play of Joe Milton during the first 3 games. Some/most of us are ready to see Nico have more snaps during meaningful games. I think Heuple/Halzle agree with us and have since before the season. Here is where logic (or the lack thereof) comes in: On Sept 6th Heupel said that Nico was not redshirting this season and that the coaching staff would play him "when the opportunity arose"

tennessee.rivals.com

Vols' freshman QB Nico Iamaleava will not redshirt, Josh Heupel says

The Vols' highly touted freshman QB is expected to see the field plenty this season.
tennessee.rivals.com tennessee.rivals.com

I think Heupel/Halzle already knew that Milton was not going to be a top tier QB in the SEC and knew they would wind up playing Nico sooner or later this season if Milton played like he has. Otherwise why would you not say we plan to play Nico in 4 games (unless there is an injury to Milton) and move on, Why waste a redshirt year if you do not plan to play him?

I am not saying bench Milton and play Nico starting with UTSA and ride him no matter what. I disagree with this and think we should see a few series for Nico over the next few games that are planned out and the plays are scripted to his strengths to "break" him in to college/SEC play.
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If the kid is as good as everyone says then we have him for 3 years. Whether one of those years is used up with a redshirt is up to the coaches but I say playing him 3 years is better than playing him 2 years if he’s as good as advertised.
 
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