Football Recruiting as of now...

#76
#76
nashvol1 said:
The scoreboard. We beat them on the night they called the biggest game in their history on their home field at night.

According to the logic, things changed such as losing our top two middle linebackers and then having Rico get hurt in the first half. We were obviously not the same team on D during the bowl as we were at Bama.

Follow what everyone is telling you on the site.
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Doesn't matter. It's just a matter of how much stock do you put in excuses when it's apparent that other teams have injuries too. You don't have to convince me. It's the recruits the staff has to impress, and I'm just saying that excuses only get you so far in recruiting.

Results on the field are king, and that's one key reason we are losing a lot of momentum while other programs are gaining it.
 
#77
#77
vol_in_ga said:
another question.

bama has one of if not the best secondary in the sec(barron, arenas, jackson, johnson, kirkpatrick) yet they pulled in 6 DBs in this class and somehow convinced some of them that they had good play time oppurtunity.

these are the main ones:

Demarcus Milliner #2 CB
John Fulton #4 CB
Keenan Allen #1 S
Jarrick Williams #5 S
Nick Perry 4 star S

Same with UF

already have wright, black, haden, hill, j jenkins, finley on roster

commits:

josh shaw #3 CB
demar dorsey 4 star under rated S
jonathan dowling
another haden
had and prob will replace matt elam
cody riggs
jaylen watkins

how do they keep getting them??
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Everyone wants to be part of a Winner......
 
#78
#78
The problem that may arise for Bama and UF is holding on to all thse recruits. Everyone wants to play. With that talent and depth, somebody gotta sit.
 
#79
#79
TENNaciousUTfan said:
Doesn't matter. It's just a matter of how much stock do you put in excuses when it's apparent that other teams have injuries too. You don't have to convince me. It's the recruits the staff has to impress, and I'm just saying that excuses only get you so far in recruiting.

Results on the field are king, and that's one key reason we are losing a lot of momentum while other programs are gaining it.
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For the rest or your comments on the subject, I will only respond with:

:banghead2::crazy::lolabove:
 
#80
#80
HonoluluVol said:
The problem that may arise for Bama and UF is holding on to all thse recruits. Everyone wants to play. With that talent and depth, somebody gotta sit.
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I think that actually is what helped to start a slide at FSU years ago. You get a lot of commits jump onboard early, and sometimes you get stuck with guys as others you'd rather have see the "No Vacancy" sign and move on. You can become a victim of your own success.
 
#81
#81
nashvol1 said:
For the rest or your comments on the subject, I will only respond with:

:banghead2::crazy::lolabove:
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We don't have to agree...again, some fans are going to be more loyal to the staff than others. There is no such loyalty among most recruits. You can only sell promises to a certain percentage, but that will always be a lower percentage than winning or tangible results on the field. Losing big and having your once vaunted defense embarrassed makes it harder to sell "We'll get em next year" tokens.
 
#83
#83
nashvol1 said:
Losing Wilson and Gran who built relationships with many of these players is the main issue, not the "tarnished" reputation of Monte and CEO.
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See some people were like "this doesn't hurt us, we'll replace them" which only the latter half is true. It hurt us this year. Look at all the recruits changing their commitments. However, all isn't lost. We'll have a full staff on board for next year and those coaches will build the strong relationships with 2011 recruits.

So in other words, it really did put us behind this year in recruiting - however next year we won't have that problem. Our coaching staff (hopefully) will remain the same and they'll build those relationships with recruits.
 
#84
#84
BigRed said:
See some people were like "this doesn't hurt us, we'll replace them" which only the latter half is true. It hurt us this year. Look at all the recruits changing their commitments. However, all isn't lost. We'll have a full staff on board for next year and those coaches will build the strong relationships with 2011 recruits.

So in other words, it really did put us behind this year in recruiting - however next year we won't have that problem. Our coaching staff (hopefully) will remain the same and they'll build those relationships with recruits.
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the only problem is we need players NOW to come in and help make us better. if we dont get them till next years recruiting class, that would be 2 years kiffin is here and another 2 years for those recruits to develop. Thats 4(4!!!!) years before we see improvement. Kiffin might not be kept if it takes 4 years just to improve. Plus it takes a couple of years to develop relationships with recruits so make it 6 years. And you cant recruit well with out results on the field. So now were looking at like 8 YEARS before we put a GOOD team on the field.

And you cant argue that urban did it because uf has all the recruits in their back yard and had talent before he arrived. and saban had a talented enough team composed mostly of experienced juniors and seniors, plus talent in their backyard.
 
#85
#85
vol_in_ga said:
the only problem is we need players NOW to come in and help make us better. if we dont get them till next years recruiting class, that would be 2 years kiffin is here and another 2 years for those recruits to develop. Thats 4(4!!!!) years before we see improvement. Kiffin might not be kept if it takes 4 years just to improve. Plus it takes a couple of years to develop relationships with recruits so make it 6 years. And you cant recruit well with out results on the field. So now were looking at like 8 YEARS before we put a GOOD team on the field.

And you cant argue that urban did it because uf has all the recruits in their back yard and had talent before he arrived. and saban had a talented enough team composed mostly of experienced juniors and seniors, plus talent in their backyard.
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It's true we need it now and it sucks they're gone. My point was that people who were saying losing Wilson and losing Gran wasn't a big deal. I guess they're seeing now it really WAS a big deal.

The thing about it is, these coaches prove themselves by taking mediocre talent that don't get the opportunity to play in Under Armour All American Games and turn them into competitive SEC players. I think they can do it which is why I feel confident about next year. CLK will correct some things and I think we'll have a better season and an even better recruiting class for 2011.
 
#86
#86
If NSD rolls around and Cheezit and Auburn have a better recruiting haul than we do, I'll be severely disappointed. Given the hype that has surrounded the recruiting prowess of our coaches, that would very definately shake my faith in their abilities. Bama and UF have their success, so I can understand them outrecruiting us. I could not understand being outrecruited by Auburn. I'm not trying to be negative. I still have high hopes that our staff will pull out some surprises before NSD. But I certainly understand how the lack of any positives lately has caused some of the nervous nellies to rev into high gear. Recruiting isn't for the feint of heart, lol. We need some doctors on here to start handing out the xanax prescriptions. :)
 
#87
#87
Weezer said:
If NSD rolls around and Cheezit and Auburn have a better recruiting haul than we do, I'll be severely disappointed. Given the hype that has surrounded the recruiting prowess of our coaches, that would very definately shake my faith in their abilities. Bama and UF have their success, so I can understand them outrecruiting us. I could not understand being outrecruited by Auburn. I'm not trying to be negative. I still have high hopes that our staff will pull out some surprises before NSD. But I certainly understand how the lack of any positives lately has caused some of the nervous nellies to rev into high gear. Recruiting isn't for the feint of heart, lol. We need some doctors on here to start handing out the xanax prescriptions. :)
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the only reason auburn technically has a better class is because they have a few really good commits. their overall class aint much. and they might get some mor surprises if mulzahn stays. remember back when the top 3 RBs in the nation all had auburn as their leader. i think one cooled but auburn should not be counted out on seastrunk if mulzahn stays.
 
#88
#88
Wow, some of you guys make me question if you even watch football. Bringing up the 2 big blow out losses we've had all year, Ole Miss and VT. You really want to know what those 2 games showed me? It wasn't a lack of coaching as some of you have tried to blame it on. Both of those games our lines, on both sides of the ball, were completely dominated from a physical stand point. No amount of scheming, coaching, or game planning will save you when you're getting your asses handed to you in the trenches.

I fully expect TN to have one of, if not the best, O line classes in the nation this year. Fulton, Pair (coaches love him), James (stud and an EE), Cullen (UT is his leader atm), and Chaz Green (heavy UT lean), and probably someone like a Robinson or a Torian Wilson. Coaches are addressing the talent gap so that the coaching will work. Give it some time, wait for NSD, and let the coaches do what they're paid to do.
 
#89
#89
TENNaciousUTfan said:
Doesn't matter. It's just a matter of how much stock do you put in excuses when it's apparent that other teams have injuries too. You don't have to convince me. It's the recruits the staff has to impress, and I'm just saying that excuses only get you so far in recruiting.

Results on the field are king, and that's one key reason we are losing a lot of momentum while other programs are gaining it.
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Wow, what team did you watch this year, it sure wasn't UT's LB'ers you're talking about here.

Let's look back:

1. Lost starting MLB Nick Reveiz to torn ACL (who was playing fantastic) early in the season
2. Lost starting MLB #2 Savion Frazier to torn ACL (who originally backed up Rico @ WLB) a few games later

So, we are down to Rico @ WLB without a backup, a redshirt freshman, Herman Lathers, starting @ MLB.

3. Greg King, co-starter @ SLB with the ailing Thompson has season ending injury.

Now we are down to McCoy @ WLB without a backup, Herman Lathers @ MLB with Thornton as a backup, and an often injured (back injury sustained during Florida game, and another injury during Miss game) Thompson @ SLB with I think Shane Reveiz as the backup. All this for the last half of the season.

Okay, I count 5 serviceable LB's for the bowl game (Nelson and Askew redshirted). So, let's say McCoy gets dinged up, sound familiar, now we're down to 4 LB'ers of which one is a walk-on. So we had these 3 in the game against VT when McCoy got hurt, Thornton, Lathers, and Thompson with only Reveiz as the only backup LB'er.

You tell me who in the SEC had that to deal with in the heart of their defense??

We had awful luck in the injury department to the LB'ers that allowed our depth issue to really surface this year. Should help in the future with the experience they got, plus the continued talent we will bring in.

Bottom line, can't scheme what you don't have. Monte's D requires speedy and instinctive LB'ers and we didn't have that in the last half of the season.
 
#90
#90
vol_in_ga said:
So Bama picks up huge commit despite already being loaded, and florida is racking them up despite losing almost their entire staff.

We on the other hand, continue to lose commits, and miss out on strong leans/other recruits.

I know its been said that we are in it for a bunch of guys but how realistic is it that we even pull in a top ten class at this point. And it seems like we really arent that "in it" with these recruits.

So, I guess what Im asking is...

Does anyone know anything good for us in recruiting ?
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Yeah, the Vols are ranked # 6 in 2010 recruiting. Most of our players are playing in the US ARMY game and NSD is not until feb,so no one has signed anyone (except EE's) We have excellant shots at 4-5 players that played in the UA game (Chaz Green, Christian Jones,Demar Dorsey ect...) As far as EE's go we are probably ahead of most. If you watched any of last years recruiting you know the Vol staff never gives up and will have some surprises before it's said and done. If thats not enough to make you feel better,shoot yourself!!!
 
#91
#91
Smokeybluetick said:
Yeah, the Vols are ranked # 6 in 2010 recruiting. Most of our players are playing in the US ARMY game and NSD is not until feb,so no one has signed anyone (except EE's) We have excellant shots at 4-5 players that played in the UA game (Chaz Green, Christian Jones,Demar Dorsey ect...) As far as EE's go we are probably ahead of most. If you watched any of last years recruiting you know the Vol staff never gives up and will have some surprises before it's said and done. If thats not enough to make you feel better,shoot yourself!!!
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Your right about everything except for our recruit ranking...we are not #6.
 
#92
#92
Demon_Vol said:
I keep hoping I can convince one of these idiots to jump off the cliff so that hopefully the rest of the lemurs will run off the edge too.
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I hope you can too! I wish there was some way to keep tabs on every poster that has posted negative, and chicken little type comments on here, so they can all be shunned on NSD like the pieces of crap they are.

chicken littles, and trolls..:shaking2:
 
#95
#95
It ain't over til its over. There is a month to go. We weren't in the top 10 at this time last year in recruiting, either. If I recall correctly, it took Brice Brown's signing after the Feb signing day to even move us into the top 10. Way too early to worry. If the gators didn't get any commitments after the sugar bowl, they never could. On the other hand, the CFA Bowl has been forgotten already except for possibly F Beamer and Bud What's-his-name, the wildman defensive coordinator who blitzes on 4th and 10 with the the game over, and a few drunken Va hillbillies who crawled out from under the rocks up there for that game. I am convinced that there will be a lot of positive recruiting surprises for UT on signing day. All of us Vol fans are just frustrated by all the negative press lately.
 
#96
#96
As far as decommitments, good riddance to Brandon Willis, and more importantly, WELCOME TO UT, Corey Miller! And if we never sign another kid from Pahokee HS, it will be too soon.
 
#97
#97
Demon_Vol said:
I keep hoping I can convince one of these idiots to jump off the cliff so that hopefully the rest of the lemurs will run off the edge too.
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:eek:lol:I think you mean lemmings. Lemurs are arboreal mammals similar to monkeys!
 
#99
#99
Anyone heard anything about Josh Shirley lately? I would love to see this guy in orange. I haven't heard where he is leaning or anything. He and Taylor could make for very fast and explosive OLBs.
 
#100
#100
Demon_Vol said:
Brain fart, good catch. Kinda surprised that nobody else pointed that out.
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Most of these folks are not even aware of what either animal you were referencing is. As far as NSD, we are going to be allright. Those who want to be here, will. We will crush the rest of them. V,B!
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