For the 1st time ever, I laughed out loud ...

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VolinArizona

VolinArizona

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... at a candidate during a speech.

Hillary Clinton said in El Paso today that she wants an America where minimum wage for full time employees will be $9.50/hour. I seriously laughed out loud as soon as she finished the sentence.

Thoughts on her wanting that minimum wage?
 
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The fact that Skyline Chili opened their doors to this woman tainted my view of them. But, I'll still eat it.
 
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Why should 32 year old crackhead flipping a burger get paid $9.50?

She's a dumbass with absolutely no common sense.
 
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myrobbins7 said:
Oh justin I agree about the $$$ part, the funny part was about Hillary. Funny but true...
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It had to be said.

I try to stay away from political debates, but this is ignorant. It really blows my mind.

I could really rant about minimum wage but I'll have to do that later.
 
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federal minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation and is one of the reasons the census bureau estimates that there are about 35 million people living below the poverty line in our country.

i think bringing minimum wage up to 9.50 right away is probably unrealistic (though not an inherently bad idea), but many cities have raised their own minimum wage beyond the minimum federal guidelines. for example, in san francisco, minumum wage is 9.36/hr, and that covers even restaurant employees who get tips.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
federal minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation and is one of the reasons the census bureau estimates that there are about 35 million people living below the poverty line in our country.

i think bringing minimum wage up to 9.50 right away is probably unrealistic (though not an inherently bad idea), but many cities have raised their own minimum wage beyond the minimum federal guidelines. for example, in san francisco, minumum wage is 9.36/hr, and that covers even restaurant employees who get tips.
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$9.36/hour in the Bay Area is obviously different than $9.36 in London, Kentucky.
 
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how about we let the market determine pay levels commensurate with sill required, difficulty of work, labor supply etc. You know, just the basics of frickin' capitalism.
 
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VolinArizona said:
$9.36/hour in the Bay Area is obviously different than $9.36 in London, Kentucky.
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I'm not arguing to the contrary. It very well might be that 9.50 would be steep for a national minimum wage. My point is that the increases up to this point reflect neither inflation nor national cost of living standards. The whole system needs to be addressed. What number they come up with in the end, I don't care. I don't make minimum wage, so it's not personal. I just want others to be able to enjoy the basic benefits of life. A mother working a standard work week making minimum wage should not be food uncertain.
 
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I think states should handle minimum wage. A federal minimum wage is ridiculous, always has been.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
how about we let the market determine pay levels commensurate with sill required, difficulty of work, labor supply etc. You know, just the basics of frickin' capitalism.
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Because capitalism as a system has no regard for poverty. If you work a full work week and make minimum wage, you should not be poor in your region. Alas, capitalism and market forces have failed to set minimum wage (in many, not all places) at a level that makes life without poverty possible.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
how about we let the market determine pay levels commensurate with sill required, difficulty of work, labor supply etc. You know, just the basics of frickin' capitalism.
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That would be too simple. That would mean the uneducated and the lazy would starve and we just can't let the dumb and lazy go hungry.

God forbid you get paid what you are worth.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
Because capitalism as a system has no regard for poverty. If you work a full work week and make minimum wage, you should not be poor in your region. Alas, capitalism and market forces have failed to set minimum wage (in many, not all places) at a level that makes life without poverty possible.
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capitalism should have no regard for poverty. those working all day for too little money either need to change jobs, seek training, or get second jobs. There is no guarantee of properity in our nation and there never should be. The mindset that do gooders will eventually get my pay raised and I can just go through the motions has doomed the economies in Europe and surely you recall the outcome of the Marx experiment.

My parents grew up in cotton farming families and everybody there was poor, all worked harder than any 9-5 minimum wage earner today and nobody is any worse for the wear. The difference today is that people have expectation of a higher quality of life than they've earned via limited education and showing up every day.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
Please, for the love of God, go take a sociology class.
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I've taken plenty of sociology and still find them worthless. The science that gives our nation its power is economics, you might look into a couple of those classes and pay special attention to the insidious nature of purely frictional expense.

Again, your social engineering arguments are rooted in pity for the poor, or are just emotional arguments. They've been around forever and have still gotten no better.
 
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ksushalovesthevols said:
Because capitalism as a system has no regard for poverty.
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It has plenty of regard for poverty. The price someone pays for labor communicates what it is worth. If what you are doing does not elevate you above poverty, capitalism is telling you to try something else.
 
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Capitalism bad. Socialism good.

In all seriousness, why is is so hard to realize that if you raise the minimum wage, the price of everything will go up? I mean you don't have to be the Fed chariman to figure this out.
 
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GAVol said:
It has plenty of regard for poverty. The price someone pays for labor communicates what it is worth. If what you are doing does not elevate you above poverty, capitalism is telling you to try something else.
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:salute:
 
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Minimum wages and poverty are a moving target though.

Raising the minimum wage will put upward pressure on prices and all that was accomplished is that the $ amount defining poverty has changed.

Poverty cannot be legislated away.
 
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