For those saying Vanderbilt has comparable talent

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zach0105

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Their average rivals recruiting ranking is 45 from 2010-2013. In that same span our average ranking is 15.

Even the last two recruiting classes that Franklin was in charge of their average ranking was 24 compared to our 19 with a lame duck Dooley and Jones trying to salvage 2013.

Vanderbt just looks good because they have taken advantage of teams with losing records and beat up teams (UF and UGA).

We have the talent advantage and the coaching advantage IMO and I expect a fired up senior class to make their mark by beating up on the little sister school.
 
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Our attrition is the worst in the entire country, those recruiting classes dont mean anything to us now. Also as a side note,I hear Jordan Matthews was not recruited by anyone in high school....obviously he's pretty good.
 
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Memphisvol87 said:
Our attrition is the worst in the entire country, those recruiting classes dont mean anything to us now. Also as a side note,I hear Jordan Matthews was not recruited by anyone in high school....obviously he's pretty good.
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Came from an excellent program at Madison academy AL.
 
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Looking back at the classes, 2010 is the only one I noticed severe attrition. I looked through and felt like there were more than a normal amount that I didn't recognize their name or remembered them leaving. But that's without getting too in depth with the attrition numbers and talent of those that left.
 
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zach0105 said:
Here and on the radio.
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zach0105 said:
Here and on the radio.
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I haven't read anyone stating Vandy has better starting talent than UT (outside of Matthews). However once you get to depth then that could be an issue that isn't shown through a recruiting class rank from 2-3 years ago
 
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zach0105 said:
Their average rivals recruiting ranking is 45 from 2010-2013. In that same span our average ranking is 15.

Even the last two recruiting classes that Franklin was in charge of their average ranking was 24 compared to our 19 with a lame duck Dooley and Jones trying to salvage 2013.

Vanderbt just looks good because they have taken advantage of teams with losing records and beat up teams (UF and UGA).

We have the talent advantage and the coaching advantage IMO and I expect a fired up senior class to make their mark by beating up on the little sister school.
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Vandy's upperclassmen/leaders believe they're gonna win and the team us well coached... they make few mistakes and are opportunistic.

UTs seniors/team leaders are not tough minded and have shown a loser's mentality after an incredibly difficult 4-5 years in our program. They want to win but don't expect or know to win. Plus, we have not appeared to have been particularly well coached the last few weeks.

To me, these are the obstacles UT has to overcome if they're gonna beat Vandy tomorrow. Not a talent issue.
 
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zach0105 said:
Looking back at the classes, 2010 is the only one I noticed severe attrition. I looked through and felt like there were more than a normal amount that I didn't recognize their name or remembered them leaving. But that's without getting too in depth with the attrition numbers and talent of those that left.
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Attrition, lack of depth, an awful schedule, a system that doesn't fit some of the current talent. All those factors wear on a team. Now we still should beat Vandy but I think the bye week couldn't have come at a better time for this team.
 
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zach0105 said:
Looking back at the classes, 2010 is the only one I noticed severe attrition. I looked through and felt like there were more than a normal amount that I didn't recognize their name or remembered them leaving. But that's without getting too in depth with the attrition numbers and talent of those that left.
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Don't waste your time with logic or reason. The Vollyannas will always find some excuse why the Vols are under performing.
 
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If our players were in their 3rd year of coach Jones staff and their system, I would say yeah we will beat them handily..... even with the enormous amount of attrition. BUT we have the double edge sword of coaching changes and attrition. Some of the attrition is by us recruiting players that don't stay 5 years and are NFL ready by Jr. year. Vandy on the other hand has lower star players that stay 4 and 5 years. Still think we win.
 
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Point one is that I don't believe Vanderbilt has superior talent. That being said I believe they have at this point equal and more developed talent that has had the advantage of playing in a system for a few years. What is surprising to me is that people on these boards continue to use recruiting rankings to determine team talent and development. Recruiting is just a starting point. Yes they matter because a higher rated recruit has the better opportunity to excel. But if that talent is allowed to... just check the boxes on the workout sheet... and not have adequate coaching they will be surpassed by players working hard for 3 or 4 years. Mizzou is a great example of lower rated talent being developed into a top ten team.

Those recruiting class rankings mean nothing to me because Dooley whiffed on developing these players

That being said I expect us to win tomorrow.
 
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Vandy has the best player on the field, and I like their secondary. But, every other position, we out talent them at.

If we lose this game, we will have been out coached, not out talented
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
So if a player leaves we lose his depth but the talent stays.


Gotcha.
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Just 2 years ago we were laughing because Vandy was having tryouts for their football team. They have less depth than we do, and less talent at pretty much every position. Sorry that's hard to comprehend.
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
Vandy has the best player on the field, and I like their secondary. But, every other position, we out talent them at.

If we lose this game, we will have been out coached, not out talented
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Agreed.

Matthews will beat us deep at least once.

On a side note here ..

As much as everyone hates franklin. He is a good coach. He gets the best out of his players. So recruiting rankings mean nothing when it comes to a coach like that.

With that being said Butch will also get the best out of his players tomorrow. Senior Night for most of the D Line and O Line. Grey Unis . This is going to be a really good game to watch .

I never thought I would hear myself say it , but can't wait for the Vandy game this weekend.. :unsure:
 
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Maybe I overestimated this sentiment on here.

What sparked me making this thread was a guy calling into the radio saying, very adamantly, that vandy had the talent advantage. And I know I've seen it said at least a few times on here.

Lastly I wasn't going into at all the development of talent. But development of talent wasn't the major issue of the last regime. It was focusing that talent into something positive or teaching that talent how to win.
 
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zach0105 said:
Their average rivals recruiting ranking is 45 from 2010-2013. In that same span our average ranking is 15.

Even the last two recruiting classes that Franklin was in charge of their average ranking was 24 compared to our 19 with a lame duck Dooley and Jones trying to salvage 2013.

Vanderbt just looks good because they have taken advantage of teams with losing records and beat up teams (UF and UGA).

We have the talent advantage and the coaching advantage IMO and I expect a fired up senior class to make their mark by beating up on the little sister school.
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I want a game like 2009, when Wes Brown intercepted the ball and rumbled and stumbled 20 yards for a t.d. The run took about 17 minutes for him to get to the endzone......
 
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The difference between our recruiting classes the last two years is pretty insignificant. What is it? 6 spots different? That is the difference in a couple recruits and a few evaluations from some Rivals.com scouts.

Now, as was said, there was also some severe attrition from our 2010 class.

The Vandy players have also had the benefit of playing for the same head coach in the same offensive and defensive systems over the last few years which is an obvious advantage.

No matter how badly it offends you to admit it, Vandy and UT and very comparable this year in many aspects and this game will be a battle.
 
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