Former Grudenite

[volfanhill]

Haha, me too. lol:

Then your user name should change

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

4 hours away is still too d**n close. I don't want that POS anywhere near Knoxville, lest he pollute our program with his BS. You saw what happened when Dooley let him come around......

Lmfao!
Sure, Gruden was the reason we sucked.
Poor Dooley was unjustly fired.

 

[InVOLuntary]

OOOOOH, I DO!!!! Take a look at the dumpster fire he was in charge of in Tampa. Never cracked the top half of the NFL in major offensive statistics, what?? Relied on Monte Kiffin's perennial top-10 defense, what?? Given past performance, it's not speculation. Jon Gruden is GARBAGE.

I reiterate: GFYJG, and stay the HELL away from Knoxville.

You can't compare pro success to college success and vice versa. Whether you want to admit it or not it's all speculation.

 

[pattiycake]

Smoke

Tick Tock Hohen! :thumbsup:

 

[DeusExMachina]

Lmfao!
Sure, Gruden was the reason we sucked.
Poor Dooley was unjustly fired.

Not real good at sarcasm, are ya?? However, it doesn't change the fact that GRUDEN SUCKS.

You can't compare pro success to college success and vice versa. Whether you want to admit it or not it's all speculation.

Maybe that's so......but are YOU willing to give a guy that failed THAT hard and THAT spectacularly at his last job the reins to the Tennessee program?? He turned his last job from a Super Bowl winner to a steaming pile of horse excrement......but this is the guy you want(ed) coaching the Vols??

I'm not willing to give him that chance. FYJG.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Not real good at sarcasm, are ya?? However, it doesn't change the fact that GRUDEN SUCKS.



Maybe that's so......but are YOU willing to give a guy that failed THAT hard and THAT spectacularly at his last job the reins to the Tennessee program?? He turned his last job from a Super Bowl winner to a steaming pile of horse excrement......but this is the guy you want(ed) coaching the Vols??

I'm not willing to give him that chance. FYJG.

He won a Super Bowl.

Sorry I missed your sarcasm. :hi:

Your conjecture that he would suck here has no more validity than if I were to say he would win an SEC and National Championship in his second year. I realize you don't care for Gruden but to say he would not succeed here is pure speculation.

 

[GreveHaller]

He won a Super Bowl.

Sorry I missed your sarcasm. :hi:

Your conjecture that he would suck here has no more validity than if I were to say he would win an SEC and National Championship in his second year. I realize you don't care for Gruden but to say he would not succeed here is pure speculation.

He won a SB.........then proceeded to go 45-51. Its one thing to suck as a coach its even worse if you win a SB then you cant even go .500. Yeah, he sucks.

your defense of him fails to a Vandy degree


How would he do in college? one one knows but I'd rather take someone that has actually recruited college as well as coached in college, not just being a position coach 22 years ago

 

[Volador]

Hmmmm. So hypothetically, let's say CBJ is the real thing. Does that mean we will have to thank Dave Hart????

 

[sjt18]

"Fulmer's failures were related to recruiting."

LWSVOL - like what you said but I have a different take on this statement, and maybe I am the only one that feels this way.

I feel that every year the Vols have had plenty of talent on the sidelines. Not always the best or the smartest mind you, but talent we have generally had. I strongly grew to dislike Fulmer and Sanders because they didnt use their talents accordingly. Play to your strengths and play away from your weaknesses. But those two just didn't get it IMO and kept hammering away with Johnny Majors 'play it safe' mindsets. Yes recruiting is crucial but ................if you don't like the guys calling the plays and what they are calling, why would you want to play for them?

You are right. The problems were not unrelated. The variance in point production from Cut to Sanders then back to Cut is telling.

I would agree to a point. IMO, after 2005 the mystique was completely gone from Fulmer and UT. Recruiting after that fell off even more. There were highly rated classes but the more talented players were all too often passed over by other programs because they were risky... and far too often proved those concerns to be valid. I do not know that Fulmer started letting Rivals do his recruit evals for him but it kind of looked that way. He frequently managed to find 4* and 5* busts. He definitely seemed to find them at a higher rate than his competition.

For instance the 2007 class had a pretty amazing five 5* signees.

Berry became an all time great.

Chris Donald was much closer to a 2* than 5* player and transferred to UTC.

Kenny "Spotted Ape" O'Neal was a total bust.

Ben Martin was injured practically his whole career.

Brent Vinson was finally booted from the program after multiple behavior and academic problems.

Of the 11 4* players signed that year, seven either never contributed in any meaningful way. Four iirc never even got on the field.

 

[InVOLuntary]

He won a SB.........then proceeded to go 45-51. Its one thing to suck as a coach its even worse if you win a SB then you cant even go .500. Yeah, he sucks.

your defense of him fails to a Vandy degree


How would he do in college? one one knows but I'd rather take someone that has actually recruited college as well as coached in college, not just being a position coach 22 years ago

You have no idea as to how well he would do in college. You need to study reading comprehension as I have not tried to defend gruden but simply state the fact that you or anyone else has no freak in clue whether he would succeed at the college level and success at the pro level, or lack thereof, is no indication of how well a coach translates to coaching college. Thanks for hour opinion Nostradamus.

 

[DeusExMachina]

He won a Super Bowl.

Sorry I missed your sarcasm. :hi:

Your conjecture that he would suck here has no more validity than if I were to say he would win an SEC and National Championship in his second year. I realize you don't care for Gruden but to say he would not succeed here is pure speculation.

No, Monte Kiffin's DEFENSE won a Super Bowl. Pretty easy to do when your defense is #1 in almost every major statistical category (they weren't perfect, but who is) . But, since Grubage is in the discussion, his offense was 18th in points scored, 24th in yards gained, 27th in rushing yards gained, 18th in scoring percentage, 27th in turnover percentage.....need I go on?? By the way, those stats are from here: 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - m.pfref.com . You see, I can back up the way I feel about Jon Garbage with facts instead of emotion. My "conjecture that he would suck here" is more based in fact than your conjecture that he wouldn't.

Speculation isn't speculation if you can back it up with facts. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I would rather have the rotted carcass of Bear Bryant on the sidelines of Neyland than that POS Jon Grubage. FYJG.



-but I am pretty stoked about Coach Jones.

 

[GreveHaller]

You have no idea as to how well he would do in college. You need to study reading comprehension as I have not tried to defend gruden but simply state the fact that you or anyone else has no freak in clue whether he would succeed at the college level and success at the pro level, or lack thereof, is no indication of how well a coach translates to coaching college. Thanks for hour opinion Nostradamus.

No I dont know how he would do thus my comment of "How would he do in college? one one knows". Before you start telling someone to comprehend something you better make sure you dont look dumb first.

No one knows how he'd do. He might be the next Saban or he might be the next Dooley but to take a risk, a really BIIIIIIGGGG risk on a coach that had never been and coordinator and hasnt been in college for 22 freakin' years is beyond desperate. Hell, the guy's been out of coaching for 5+ years and mentioned for every job available yet hasnt been hired yet. Says something to his ability to coach there.

And nice job of skipping over the 45-51 record JG ran up after he took over a program. That pathetic record by itself is enough to say no thank you. Open your eyes.

and like Deus, I'm very happy we have Butch. Hopefully his enthusiasm and passion will equate to Ws.

 

[DeusExMachina]

No I dont know how he would do thus my comment of "How would he do in college? one one knows". Before you start telling someone to comprehend something you better make sure you dont look dumb first.

No one knows how he'd do. He might be the next Saban or he might be the next Dooley but to take a risk, a really BIIIIIIGGGG risk on a coach that had never been and coordinator and hasnt been in college for 22 freakin' years is beyond desperate. Hell, the guy's been out of coaching for 5+ years and mentioned for every job available yet hasnt been hired yet. Says something to his ability to coach there.

And nice job of skipping over the 45-51 record JG ran up after he took over a program. That pathetic record by itself is enough to say no thank you. Open your eyes.

and like Deus, I'm very happy we have Butch. Hopefully his enthusiasm and passion will equate to Ws.

 

[InVOLuntary]

No I dont know how he would do thus my comment of "How would he do in college? one one knows". Before you start telling someone to comprehend something you better make sure you dont look dumb first.

No one knows how he'd do. He might be the next Saban or he might be the next Dooley but to take a risk, a really BIIIIIIGGGG risk on a coach that had never been and coordinator and hasnt been in college for 22 freakin' years is beyond desperate. Hell, the guy's been out of coaching for 5+ years and mentioned for every job available yet hasnt been hired yet. Says something to his ability to coach there.

And nice job of skipping over the 45-51 record JG ran up after he took over a program. That pathetic record by itself is enough to say no thank you. Open your eyes.

and like Deus, I'm very happy we have Butch. Hopefully his enthusiasm and passion will equate to Ws.

You're the one that accused me of taking up for Gruden. I never stated your opinion sucked. You're the one that came off like anybody that didn't share your opinion was a dumb arse. The difference between you and I is I respect others opinions.

 

[InVOLuntary]

No, Monte Kiffin's DEFENSE won a Super Bowl. Pretty easy to do when your defense is #1 in almost every major statistical category (they weren't perfect, but who is) . But, since Grubage is in the discussion, his offense was 18th in points scored, 24th in yards gained, 27th in rushing yards gained, 18th in scoring percentage, 27th in turnover percentage.....need I go on?? By the way, those stats are from here: 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - m.pfref.com . You see, I can back up the way I feel about Jon Garbage with facts instead of emotion. My "conjecture that he would suck here" is more based in fact than your conjecture that he wouldn't.

Speculation isn't speculation if you can back it up with facts. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I would rather have the rotted carcass of Bear Bryant on the sidelines of Neyland than that POS Jon Grubage. FYJG.



-but I am pretty stoked about Coach Jones.

What was Saban's record at Miami? What about Spurrier's record at the skins?

FTR, I am ecstatic as to the job Butch is doing in recruiting and everything else associated with the off season aspect of his job. I hope his in season performance is equally impressive and I have no reason to believe it won't based on his history.

 

[DeusExMachina]

What was Saban's record at Miami? What about Spurrier's record at the skins?

FTR, I am ecstatic as to the job Butch is doing in recruiting and everything else associated with the off season aspect of his job. I hope his in season performance is equally impressive and I have no reason to believe it won't based on his history.

Exceptions are everywhere. Saban and Spurrier also didn't have a first-ballot HOF DC bailing his pathetic offense out at every opportunity.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Exceptions are everywhere. Saban and Spurrier also didn't have a first-ballot HOF DC bailing his pathetic offense out at every opportunity.

I realize that. My point is that know one knows how well Gruden would do. I like Gruden but I am not 100% confident he would have succeeded here. I think in the short term he would have recruited well as he does have "star power". Would it have been a risky hire? Absolutely. All hires are risky including Butch. It is a little less risky because he doesn't cost what Gruden would have cost.

I understand your hatred for Gruden. It's all good we're both Vol fans. We both want the Vols to succeed.

 

[tm3]

yeah, they still got some players but no where near 90s talent they were getting.. the problem was Fulmer and 1 or 2 assistants were doing the bulk of the work. Certainly game planning, game management and practice were all issues as well.

Can you name names, ie who was recruiting?

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Not real good at sarcasm, are ya?? However, it doesn't change the fact that GRUDEN SUCKS.

Yes, I suck at sarcasm.

 

[The Ron Mexico]

Sorry if already posted, but Grudenite is just a synonym for gullible.