Fox news "fair and balanced" yeah RIGHT

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lazy4163 said:
I never said the Republicans would be wiped out. However if they continue to alienate themselves from the Independent, Hispanic, and Young vote they will be in the wilderness for a while.

They need moderate voices who can appeal to the center in this country, and right now outside of Crist Luger, Collins and Schwarzenegger there isnt that many.

When Rush Limbaugh is considered the voice of your party you have major problems.
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you act as if this bloc of voters is homogeneous and static in its worldview.
 
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If the republicans could get a true fiscal conservative that isn't a nutjob on social issues I would have no problem voting for them. It's amazing that this is all it would take to win over most independents yet nobody has stepped up.
 
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rjd970 said:
If the republicans could get a true fiscal conservative that isn't a nutjob on social issues I would have no problem voting for them. It's amazing that this is all it would take to win over most independents yet nobody has stepped up.
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it's said every election cycle yet never happens. I just don't think they can ever be anything short of loony on social issues and get the R nod
 
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utvolpj said:
it's said every election cycle yet never happens. I just don't think they can ever be anything short of loony on social issues and get the R nod
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What about McCain? He wasn't really loony on social issues was he?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
you act as if this bloc of voters is homogeneous and static in its worldview.
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the day when hispanics or the young start voting in great numbers is the day that political parties will start giving a crap about their opinion.

rjd970 said:
If the republicans could get a true fiscal conservative that isn't a nutjob on social issues I would have no problem voting for them. It's amazing that this is all it would take to win over most independents yet nobody has stepped up.
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you mean like mccain? that worked well. if the repubs want to take back the presidency they need to go farther to the right.
 
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KB5252 said:
What about McCain? He wasn't really loony on social issues was he?
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McCain's problem was he had an "R" next to his name and he wasn't black or a women. It's sad to say, but true. I just don't see anyway the Repubs won anything this cycle.

I also thought he caved on many of the social issues when he sat down with Rick Warren. He used to be real middle of the road.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
you act as if this bloc of voters is homogeneous and static in its worldview.
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Not at all

They are not a lock for the Dems. but the Repubs are losing favor amongst those voting blocks, and you cannot win National Elections without them anymore.

I am a firm believer in a two party system. No one party should have unchecked power Democrats or Republicans. I am a Democrat, but there are some issues I lean Right on.

The Republican party will eventually be back, but it is going to get worse before it gets better as long as Coulter and Limbaugh are the GOP's voice.
 
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droski said:
you mean like mccain? that worked well. if the repubs want to take back the presidency they need to go farther to the right.
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I don't think they need to go further to the right as much as they need to actually do what they say....this is absolutely true with the fiscal stuff. And further to the right on the social stuff...gay marriage, stem cell research, gays in the military, etc...turns off many of the independents IMO.
 
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rjd970 said:
McCain's problem was he had an "R" next to his name and he wasn't black or a women. It's sad to say, but true. I just don't see anyway the Repubs won anything this cycle.

I also thought he caved on many of the social issues when he sat down with Rick Warren. He used to be real middle of the road.
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Spot on in point #1.

I think he did try to make good with the republican base, but let's be honest the right knew exactly what he was doing there and so did the left, it was a non factor.
 
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lazy4163 said:
Not at all

They are not a lock for the Dems. but the Repubs are losing favor amongst those voting blocks, and you cannot win National Elections without them anymore.

I am a firm believer in a two party system. No one party should have unchecked power Democrats or Republicans. I am a Democrat, but there are some issues I lean Right on.

The Republican party will eventually be back, but it is going to get worse before it gets better as long as Coulter and Limbaugh are the GOP's voice.
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you actually think there are 2 parties? Really?

and the only people labeling Rush and Coulter the voice of the Repub's is the left
 
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droski said:
the day when hispanics or the young start voting in great numbers is the day that political parties will start giving a crap about their opinion.



you mean like mccain? that worked well. if the repubs want to take back the presidency they need to go farther to the right.
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:lolabove:


There you go


Good luck winning an election outside of Mississippi and Alabama with that strategy.
 
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lazy4163 said:
Not at all

They are not a lock for the Dems. but the Repubs are losing favor amongst those voting blocks, and you cannot win National Elections without them anymore.

I am a firm believer in a two party system. No one party should have unchecked power Democrats or Republicans. I am a Democrat, but there are some issues I lean Right on.

The Republican party will eventually be back, but it is going to get worse before it gets better as long as Coulter and Limbaugh are the GOP's voice.
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At this point I believe the strategy is to sit back and let the democratic party keep spending and giving them the rope they need to hang themselves. There is little else they can do at this point. There is little for them to gain by sticking their necks out now. As things roll along and the tab we are running needs to be addressed the left will have to answer for it.
 
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utvolpj said:
you actually think there are 2 parties? Really?

and the only people labeling Rush and Coulter the voice of the Repub's is the left
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Then who is the voice right now. I don't hear them.

Rush, Ann, Hanity, and Savage may not be the only voices of the GOP right now, but they sure are the loudest.
 
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KB5252 said:
At this point I believe the strategy is to sit back and let the democratic party keep spending and giving them the rope they need to hang themselves. There is little else they can do at this point. There is little for them to gain by sticking their necks out now. As things roll along and the tab we are running needs to be addressed the left will have to answer for it.
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It will be deflected back on the heads of the previous administration. You watch.
 
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lazy4163 said:
:lolabove:


There you go


Good luck winning an election outside of Mississippi and Alabama with that strategy.
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If you sit down and think about it there is some sense to be made. Bush turned out to be far from conservative, he was a liberal spender and a moderate on many social issues. There was the opportunity to address illegal immigration, nothing was done. Abortion is a landmine of an issue for many, he wasn't exactly a hawk on that issue. There are some issues where he was more conservative but certainly not enough to be considered conservative, if anything he was fairly moderate.

McCain was moderate.

So our last two candidates were moderate republicans and look how they both worked out. Maybe we do need a true conservative?
 
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IPorange said:
It will be deflected back on the heads of the previous administration. You watch.
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They will try I believe. But in the end it will be pointed out that Obama was supposed to be the answer to counter this......and all he did was compound the problems. And it will stick.
 
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lazy4163 said:
The Republican party will eventually be back, but it is going to get worse before it gets better as long as Coulter and Limbaugh are the GOP's voice.
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It's a myth perpetuated by the left that Limbaugh is the GOP's voice. The idea is traceable back to Carville.
 
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KB5252 said:
If you sit down and think about it there is some sense to be made. Bush turned out to be far from conservative, he was a liberal spender and a moderate on many social issues. There was the opportunity to address illegal immigration, nothing was done. Abortion is a landmine of an issue for many, he wasn't exactly a hawk on that issue. There are some issues where he was more conservative but certainly not enough to be considered conservative, if anything he was fairly moderate.

McCain was moderate.

So our last two candidates were moderate republicans and look how they both worked out. Maybe we do need a true conservative?
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The problem now for Republicans is that Bush and Rove's tactics to winning elections have now backfired. Rove wanted to divide the electorate and energize the base. That did win Bush the presidency and re election, but by narrow margins each time. They never really tried to expand the party. All they ended up doing in the end was drive away the independents and demoralize the moderates in the GOP.

Reagan was a very smart man. He knew the key to success was to reach across the electorate and expand the party. "Remember the Reagan Democrats."

Republicans these days want to talk all day about Reagan but they dont want to practice what he preached.

Bush and Rove really damaged the GOP brand and the only hope in the short term for the GOP is if people like Crist and Romney can become the face of the party.

Romney though has a big problem in the south because he is a Mormon.
 
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KB5252 said:
If you sit down and think about it there is some sense to be made. Bush turned out to be far from conservative, he was a liberal spender and a moderate on many social issues. There was the opportunity to address illegal immigration, nothing was done. Abortion is a landmine of an issue for many, he wasn't exactly a hawk on that issue. There are some issues where he was more conservative but certainly not enough to be considered conservative, if anything he was fairly moderate.

McCain was moderate.

So our last two candidates were moderate republicans and look how they both worked out. Maybe we do need a true conservative?
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Personally, I wouldn't go that far. Bush did veto federal funding of stem cell research, a bill that almost three quarters of Americans supported. That is pretty hawkish on the pro-life front. He all but politicized his religion to get votes after Clinton's immoralities.

From my point of view, he was liberal where he should have been conservative and conservative where he should have been liberal.
 
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rjd970 said:
Personally, I wouldn't go that far. Bush did veto federal funding of stem cell research, a bill that almost three quarters of Americans supported. That is pretty hawkish on the pro-life front. He all but politicized his religion to get votes after Clinton's immoralities.

From my point of view, he was liberal where he should have been conservative and conservative where he should have been liberal.
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yet it was his conservative view on social views that got the party out to vote and won him both elections. mccain on the other hand bored the crap out of most republicans.
 
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droski said:
yet it was his conservative view on social views that got the party out to vote and won him both elections. mccain on the other hand bored the crap out of most republicans.
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True, but as another poster pointed out, it ultimately alienated many of the party moderates and independents. It won him two elections, barely, but did major damage to the GOP's image. Unlike Reagan, there was no way in hell we would have ever seen a blue dog democrat vote with the GOP while Bush, Rove and company were dividing the country up the way they were.
 
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