Free diapers!

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Yes there is no welfare fraud. There is only one isolated case of it. Nothing to see here. That is utter foolishness.

In my city, people pull up in Cadillac Escalades with shiny new rims and whip out their EBT cards to pay for their groceries.

Yes, misuse of government programs happens far too often. But they cannot take it completely away for there are actually people out there who need and depend on it and use it the way it was meant to be used. If we overhaul the system, like they did in Florida with the drug testing, it is considered an infringement on rights by some.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

Yea we cant infringe on welfare recipients rights to illegal drug use.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Yea we cant infringe on welfare recipients rights to illegal drug use.

I didn't say I agree...in fact, if you are going to recieve government money, you should have to follow a set of rules. But there was outcry from many about the state doing that.

 

[utvolpj]

Yes, misuse of government programs happens far too often. But they cannot take it completely away for there are actually people out there who need and depend on it and use it the way it was meant to be used. If we overhaul the system, like they did in Florida with the drug testing, it is considered an infringement on rights by some.

exactly which rights are being infringed upon?

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

exactly which rights are being infringed upon?

See above.

 

[utvolpj]

didn't really explain anything

 

[theFallGuy]

Yes, misuse of government programs happens far too often. But they cannot take it completely away for there are actually people out there who need and depend on it and use it the way it was meant to be used. If we overhaul the system, like they did in Florida with the drug testing, it is considered an infringement on rights by some.

I disagree completely. I don't think there should be any welfare and you can shoot me for saying that but I don't buy into this "we just can't do away with it completely" mentality. This country was not built on welfare programs and it has never solved poverty. It only seems to increase it.

Hell, there are commercials on tv now to get your "Free" government assistance cell phone. When will we start doling out iphone 4s's because people just can't make it with a standard flip-phone? Babies will die.

And forget diapers, what about baby cribs? What about baby wipes? What about baby daycare? Baby clothes? Baby formula? How much of that is already subsidized?

American Poverty Statistics | Welfare and Welfare Spending.

 

[Volst53]

If you ended welfare, you would also solve most of the illegal immigration issues as well.

Hell, it might even fix education.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

didn't really explain anything

You didn't see the outcry from many people when Florida instituted the drug testing for welfare recipients?

 

[theFallGuy]

I'm completely against 100% of all welfare programs. And before you call me a baby killer I do plenty of donations via church and other institutions when I can afford it. Hell I could do even more if they would quite stealing money from me for the social security ponzi scheme and all this other BS I'm forced to pay for. There's a word for it, it's called theft and it isn't any more morally right if the gov't does it or an individual.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

I disagree completely. I don't think there should be any welfare and you can shoot me for saying that but I don't buy into this "we just can't do away with it completely" mentality. This country was not built on welfare programs and it has never solved poverty. It only seems to increase it.

Hell, there are commercials on tv now to get your "Free" government assistance cell phone. When will we start doling out iphone 4s's because people just can't make it with a standard flip-phone? Babies will die.

And forget diapers, what about baby cribs? What about baby wipes? What about baby daycare? Baby clothes? Baby formula? How much of that is already subsidized?

American Poverty Statistics | Welfare and Welfare Spending.

I disagree...I see nothing wrong with helping people who need help. But that's just me.

 

[Volst53]

You didn't see the outcry from many people when Florida instituted the drug testing for welfare recipients?

I saw it, but it was mostly from the voting base that was going to lose votes due to the handouts being cut off.

 

[utvolpj]

there is a very small segment of the population that needs help and I am for a short-term solution to their situation. Beyond that they can look to family, church, friends or other orgs to get what they need. It should not be a lifestyle or generational thing

 

[utvolpj]

I disagree...I see nothing wrong with helping people who need help. But that's just me.

I am too but thru private donations instead of from money removed from my wallet.

You didn't see the outcry from many people when Florida instituted the drug testing for welfare recipients?

yeah and I laughed at them then. No one has ever shown me the right to buy drugs with welfare bucks in any US document

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

I seen it, but it was mostly from the voting base that was going to lose votes due to the handouts being cut off.

I can roll with that. Most people, like me, didn't see a problem with it. You shouldn't be spending tax payer dollars handed out to you to buy drugs. End of story.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

]I am too but thru private donations instead of from money removed from my wallet.[/B]



yeah and I laughed at them then. No one has ever shown me the right to buy drugs with welfare bucks in any US document

That's a fair argument. And I tend to agree.

 

[2ironVol]

Yes there is no welfare fraud. There is only one isolated case of it. Nothing to see here. That is utter foolishness.

In my city, people pull up in Cadillac Escalades with shiny new rims and whip out their EBT cards to pay for their groceries.

Either you are not reading my posts or you are having trouble comprehending my words. It's one or the other

I never said there wasn't wefare fraud. I said generalizing based on one case is foolish. And IT IS.

REally??? I would certainly believe there are isolated cases where people are driving Escalades and using EBT cards, but it's not a norm. If you are saying it is then you are either severely misinformed or an outright liar. One of the two

 

[KiffinKiller]

That's my concern. I really don't know what numbers were dealing with in terms of extreme abuse. I know the system needs changing and refining...

 

[DinkinFlicka]

things I've seen today in my limited world:

- my wife packing up 2 cases of diapers to donate
- 368 toys under our work tree getting ready to go to Toys for Tots
- 2 large crates of blankets that will be donated to the homeless in our area

Sorry but people can do this without massive gov't intervention

You're using an example from the most charitable month of the year.

Babies still **** themselves when the snow melts, ya know.

 

[utvolpj]

You're using an example from the most charitable month of the year.

Babies still **** themselves when the snow melts, ya know.

sorry but the time of year had absolutely nothing to do with my wife's donation

maybe if people were forced to reach out to others instead of the govt people would be more giving. A "let people decide where their own money goes" kind of thing

 

[transammann]

Lets think about this... right now “poor mothers” get free formula,baby cereal, orange juice and babyfood.. ( the stuff that fils those diapers.. )..they get $$$$ in food stamps for the baby, they now have “very early” (free) head start for infants..where someone else will not only supply the diapers but someone to change them ( that we pay for...) ohh yea and an increase in their welfare payments... We wonder why part of our society has no idea of consequences or responsibility... and these babies will grow up just like the parents ... permeant leaches

 

[DinkinFlicka]

sorry but the time of year had absolutely nothing to do with my wife's donation

maybe if people were forced to reach out to others instead of the govt people would be more giving. A "let people decide where their own money goes" kind of thing

I really don't see how forced charities are different from/better than higher taxes for the sake of welfare.

Maybe your wife's donation didn't coincide with what is statistically the most charitable month of the year, but it seems like the other two donations did.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Lets think about this... right now “poor mothers” get free formula,baby cereal, orange juice and babyfood.. ( the stuff that fils those diapers.. )..they get $$$$ in food stamps for the baby, they now have “very early” (free) head start for infants..where someone else will not only supply the diapers but someone to change them ( that we pay for...) ohh yea and an increase in their welfare payments... We wonder why part of our society has no idea of consequences or responsibility... and these babies will grow up just like the parents ... permeant leaches

It's real easy to make a solid argument against welfare, but you've somehow managed to come up short with that. If anything, more tax dollars need to be put towards better public education... seems it failed you miserably.

 

[utvolpj]

I really don't see how forced charities are different from/better than higher taxes for the sake of welfare.

never said it was forced. People are more generous when they have more money right? Give the people back their earned dollars and see where it goes

Maybe your wife's donation didn't coincide with what is statistically the most charitable month of the year, but it seems like the other two donations did.

there's no maybe, it didn't. The other 2 are examples of what happens when people are asked to give. When do you think toys and blankets are most needed? We do plenty of drives for various things throughout the year and I'm always amazed at how much stuff is collected in our relatively small office.

People don't donate as much because the gov't already takes too much to provide for the people. Give more in a paycheck and more would go to fund local/national charities. Pretty simple concept

It's real easy to make a solid argument against welfare, but you've somehow managed to come up short with that. If anything, more tax dollars need to be put towards better public education... seems it failed you miserably.

we already spend the most and get the least return (see above example). What does pumping more money into a terrible system accomplish?

 

[DinkinFlicka]

never said it was forced. People are more generous when they have more money right? Give the people back their earned dollars and see where it goes

"maybe if people were forced to reach out to others instead of the govt"

Maybe I misread that. My bad.

Anyway, I think I'm too cynical to agree with you here. I really don't think we'd see much more charity efforts if people simply had more money... especially in the times we live in.

there's no maybe, it didn't. The other 2 are examples of what happens when people are asked to give. When do you think toys and blankets are most needed? We do plenty of drives for various things throughout the year and I'm always amazed at how much stuff is collected in our relatively small office.

Your office sounds like a collection of solid folks. I've worked in a few office settings, and I regrettably haven't seen anything on that level. Kudos to you and your co-workers.

People don't donate as much because the gov't already takes too much to provide for the people. Give more in a paycheck and more would go to fund local/national charities. Pretty simple concept

Well yeah, if everyone made more their spending habits would grow accordingly. If they gave money to charities before your "more money, more charity" concept, then they'd give more to charities. However, most people don't donate money. I don't think that would change if those same people made slightly more money.

we already spend the most and get the least return (see above example). What does pumping more money into a terrible system accomplish?

Prolly shouldn't tell a mod this, but I wasn't being serious. That was my way of calling him a moron.

And FTR, I do not support the current welfare system. I think we do need a gov't handout system, but it needs to be seriously tweaked and refined to make sure those who really need help receive it accordingly.