Frustration over $18 million taken from academics ?

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UT_Tix79 said:
You do know that we only have college football teams because of the academic side, right? The schools would still be there without a football team. The opposite cannot be said...
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True but how much.smaller would ut be without athletics? Were not mit, Harvard or Yale so we need a huge draw like premier athletics....
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
Coaching terminations. Stadiums, athletic upgrades, academic support, tutors...

They help Athletics a lot, Athletics helps them, they go hand in hand. But they are right, coaches salaries and buyouts are getting out of hand.

For us to get rid of Dooleys staff is going to cost 7-9 Mil over 3 years. Hiring a new coach 9-12 mil a year (if it's Gruden)

Every large athletic dept gives lots back to the academic side.
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Coaching terminations? Athletic upgrades? Stadiums? What? Okay, so maybe Neyland was originally built by the academic side of the University, but it has been upgraded by the athletic side. Same goes for other athletic upgrades. None of that money comes from the academic side. Athletic scholarships are paid for by the athletic side as well.

The UT AD has been self sufficient for a long time. If academic support and tutors cost about 6 million a year, then you may be right. However, the argument is flat petty and ridiculous. It's not going to hurt the academic side. Whoever made that statement has probably never played sports and doesn't understand sports, therefore can't figure out why sports need that extra 6 million a year to begin with.
 
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Absolutely right! It takes money to make money! Actually, it is real simple economics even for the academia at the University of Tennessee. Tennessee has a 100,000 plus seat football stadium. The more often we can put 100,000 plus butts in those seats, the more money the University will make. The more money the University makes, the more likely every other athletic and even the academic programs will be able to share in the wealth. For the most part, Tennessee has always been able to share the wealth. We just need to create a product(football team) that wins consistently plus a team that fans want to watch play. Winning games will take care of a lot of the money issues Tennessee has. I would think that the teachers, professors,fans, players, alumni and everybody else associated with the University or bystanders would want to pull for Tennessee to do whatever it takes legally to help make Tennessee the best it can be. In the end, we all win!
 
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In an ideal world, the AD would still be able to make these contributions as UT is, first and foremost, an institute of learning. That said, I think a dose of reality is in order here. Given the current situation, there are honestly only two options:

1.The academic contributions from the AD are temporarily halted in this critical period in order to allow the AD to get back to sound financial status by shoring up the football program.

2. The academic contributions from the AD will be permanently halted once the AD is irrevocably in the red due to massive declines in revenue due to fan apathy about the football program.
 
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And didnt the BOT vote a few weeks ago to change the AD reporting line. It was my understanding that Hart no longer reports to Cheek...
 
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Wonder how many of these posters who are anti academics actually went to college let alone the University of Tennessee.
 
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10NCVol88 said:
Wonder how many of these posters who are anti academics actually went to college let alone the University of Tennessee.
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You got it backwards. The faculty has an anti-football crowd. In reality, the academic side is giving nothing back, its just a play on words from Cheek because the football program is broke, in some part due to the handcuffs put upon from the anti-football group and the pussy Hamilton that let it happen.
 
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bamacheats said:
You got it backwards. The faculty has an anti-football crowd. In reality, the academic side is giving nothing back, its just a play on words from Cheek because the football program is broke, in some part due to the handcuffs put upon from the anti-football group and the pussy Hamilton that let it happen.
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My comments are directed at people who don't seem to realize that UT football would not exist without the University. Academics created the football team not the other way around. In essence academics are the owners of the football, who cares if they are given 6 mil/year if they are the owners.

The hand that feeds comment is even more insane. The students are the hand that feeds UT not athletics. Students have to pay over 200 mil/year collectively to attend the University.
 
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SIAP:

It was pointed out before that ALL money flowed through Cheeks. Are these academic "gifts" part of the monies that he diverted from TV and SEC revenue and called them gifts? This may be money that was supposed to go to the AD to begin with and Cheeks diverted it to academics as gifts. How about some of those profs making 250 mill plus a year AND Cheek taking a pay cut or two?
 
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dooley2 said:
Coaching terminations? Athletic upgrades? Stadiums? What? Okay, so maybe Neyland was originally built by the academic side of the University, but it has been upgraded by the athletic side. Same goes for other athletic upgrades. None of that money comes from the academic side. Athletic scholarships are paid for by the athletic side as well.

The UT AD has been self sufficient for a long time. If academic support and tutors cost about 6 million a year, then you may be right. However, the argument is flat petty and ridiculous. It's not going to hurt the academic side. Whoever made that statement has probably never played sports and doesn't understand sports, therefore can't figure out why sports need that extra 6 million a year to begin with.
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That's not true. Athletic Department took out a big loan from the University for many of the facility upgrades that Hamilton made just a few years ago.

I do not know to what extent those loans have been paid back, but to act like UT AD is completely independent is incorrect.
 
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On the whole, I'm pretty sure the Athletic Department contributes more money to Athletics than vice versa, but I don't know that for a fact. The University generates a lot of revenue in its own right.
 
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Tux said:
I'd love to hear someone from academia tell us when and how academia has ever raised and donated even $100 dollars to UT athletics.
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I will happily answer this for you. Straight from utk.edu.

Other Dedicated Student Fees
Other dedicated student fees include, but are not limited to, the following
fees: Athletic Fees, Technology Fees, Facilities Fees, Transportation
Fees, Engineering Fees, and Yearbook Fees.

Students, (academia), give to athletics. Ignorance is bliss.
 
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10NCVol88 said:
My comments are directed at people who don't seem to realize that UT football would not exist without the University. Academics created the football team not the other way around. In essence academics are the owners of the football, who cares if they are given 6 mil/year if they are the owners.

The hand that feeds comment is even more insane. The students are the hand that feeds UT not athletics. Students have to pay over 200 mil/year collectively to attend the University.
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You're just being ignorant.

Separate the two. UT football is a for profit business paying taxes, completely separate from the tax exempt University.

Which one grows? Who needs who?
 
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10NCVol88 said:
I will happily answer this for you. Straight from utk.edu.

Other Dedicated Student Fees
Other dedicated student fees include, but are not limited to, the following
fees: Athletic Fees, Technology Fees, Facilities Fees, Transportation
Fees, Engineering Fees, and Yearbook Fees.

Students, (academia), give to athletics.Ignorance is bliss.
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:lolabove:
 
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bamacheats said:
You're just being ignorant.

Separate the two. UT football is a for profit business paying taxes, completely separate from the tax exempt University.

Which one grows? Who needs who?
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If you think the University needs athletics then you sir are ignorant. Thing is you can't separate the two simply to justify your point when they are interrelated. The two are not standalone entities. If the school was shut down today and no longer existed there would be no UT football. If the football team is given the death sentence by NCAA the school would lose revenue but would still stand. Unless all Tennesseans stop paying taxes your tax argument doesn't hold water. You do know there are schools without football teams right. There are no college football teams without a college. :acute:
 
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Anybody remember the 30 for 30 on Miami. When all the new buildings were going up around campus when the team was doing really good. And the president thought it was just because of academia.
 
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I read an article on the internet where the Professors and Faculty were complaining about the loss of funds and how we should be more concerned about Academia. Here is my take on that. The fatcat Professors and Faculty should stop writing blank checks from the funds provided by football and try standing on their own two feet. They should appreciate the money they have received in the past. They are given so much freedom to pursue their consulting businesses and make tons of money after classes are over for the day. By the way, the majority do not even teach after 1:00 PM and the graduate students do 95% of their work. Take a look at how big their offices are as well....they have huge amounts of square footage. So I say...STOP COMPLAINING and GO TO WORK! The football business will start making money again soon and you will have your checkbook back!
 
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TucsonVol said:
I read an article on the internet where the Professors and Faculty were complaining about the loss of funds and how we should be more concerned about Academia. Here is my take on that. The fatcat Professors and Faculty should stop writing blank checks from the funds provided by football and try standing on their own two feet. They should appreciate the money they have received in the past. They are given so much freedom to pursue their consulting businesses and make tons of money after classes are over for the day. By the way, the majority do not even teach after 1:00 PM and the graduate students do 95% of their work. Take a look at how big their offices are as well....they have huge amounts of square footage. So I say...STOP COMPLAINING and GO TO WORK! The football business will start making money again soon and you will have your checkbook back!
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Let's start with the one at the front of the complaint line....Fire Him/Her!

Former UTk president Johnson had it right when he said....
the football program is the front porch to the university!
 
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RockyTop18 said:
Here's the thing, would they rather lose out on this money now or have the pool dry up completely if the football program goes under? I know it looks bad on the surface, but the downward spiral of the football program and the financial crisis in the athletic department is a gushing flesh wound to the arm of the university that has got to be treated before the university as whole bleeds out and dies a slow agonizing death.
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This is the truth of the matter. Never trust Professors to understand common sense truths.
 
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10NCVol88 said:
If you think the University needs athletics then you sir are ignorant. Thing is you can't separate the two simply to justify your point when they are interrelated. The two are not standalone entities. If the school was shut down today and no longer existed there would be no UT football. If the football team is given the death sentence by NCAA the school would lose revenue but would still stand. Unless all Tennesseans stop paying taxes your tax argument doesn't hold water. You do know there are schools without football teams right. There are no college football teams without a college. :acute:
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look up how much money the city of knoxville brings in from athletics ,not just the school . the whole town runs off of sports not the other way around .
 
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