fsu is killling it...

#26
#26
FSU 2-0 vs. Miami and Florida last year; that's got to help in-state recruiting.

Hopefully, the FSU-Miami game is actually a game this year instead of a public execution.

Next step if to get UF to sack up and start playing the U home and home. 2013 can't get here quick enough.
 
#27
#27
MemphisCanes said:
FSU 2-0 vs. Miami and Florida last year; that's got to help in-state recruiting.

Hopefully, the FSU-Miami game is actually a game this year instead of a public execution.

Next step if to get UF to sack up and start playing the U home and home. 2013 can't get here quick enough.
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They won't.

Isn't UF done playing Miami for awhile after 2012?
 
#28
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Dbake005 said:
They won't.

Isn't UF done playing Miami for awhile after 2012?
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I heard the game was bumped to 2013, which is the second of a home-home which started at UF in 2008 (I think). UF will have their hands full with FSU for the foreseeable future, I doubt they want to drop their usual in-state FCS school to pick up a yearly game with the U, no matter how mediocre we've been for the past few seasons.
 
#29
#29
All it took was getting Bobby Bowden out of there. He hung on a little too long.
 
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DD4ME said:
Lmfao if your pretending to simply be passing along facts.

FTW: a dominant FL state doesn't hurt FL in recruiting really just hurts TN...my translation
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if you didn't understand where i was coming from with that post, i will try to explain again.

as you can see from this recruiting cycle, florida state's class is loaded and it's not keeping florida from also having a loaded recruiting class.

florida state being back is not going to keep florida from being successful.....until the two play each other in november.

florida state being back does make it harder for a school like tennessee to come into florida and get players, because now they have to battle florida and florida state down there.

it also makes it harder in alabama and georgia where florida state will cherry pick some guys. these are states that tennessee needs to get players from and another school sticking its nose in there doesn't help.

does that make sense now?
 
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99gator said:
if you didn't understand where i was coming from with that post, i will try to explain again.

as you can see from this recruiting cycle, florida state's class is loaded and it's not keeping florida from also having a loaded recruiting class.

florida state being back is not going to keep florida from being successful.....until the two play each other in november.

florida state being back does make it harder for a school like tennessee to come into florida and get players, because now they have to battle florida and florida state down there.

it also makes it harder in alabama and georgia where florida state will cherry pick some guys. these are states that tennessee needs to get players from and another school sticking its nose in there doesn't help.

does that make sense now?
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You PLAY them and compete against them for many recruits versus our few "cherry picks". Does it not make sense that a FL fan saying a team they have to PLAY (and likely lose to) and go head to head with in recruiting regularly saying it hurts TN worse make you sound arrogant and smug?

Lose to them this year and next and get back to me. In the meantime I'm saving up my energies posting to you until the FL game.
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#35
#35
We really need to push hard and at least pull in a top 20 class
 
#40
#40
Chalk that up to Bureaucratic nonsense...as a fan, I would love to play a Non-Conference team like FSU as opposed to prop-up paydays teams like UAB, Buffalo, LA Tech, MTSU, Troy, etc. Or even DII powerhouse Montana.
Playing tough Non-Conf opponents has so many advantages i.e., boosts RPI, broader (recruiting) exposure, increased Media (= bigger payouts, National audience/recruiting) exposure, etc.
Sure, there's a dnside, but, IMO, the positives outweigh the negatives.
 
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oskie_score said:
Chalk that up to Bureaucratic nonsense...as a fan, I would love to play a Non-Conference team like FSU as opposed to prop-up paydays teams like UAB, Buffalo, LA Tech, MTSU, Troy, etc. Or even DII powerhouse Montana.
Playing tough Non-Conf opponents has so many advantages i.e., boosts RPI, broader (recruiting) exposure, increased Media (= bigger payouts, National audience/recruiting) exposure, etc.
Sure, there's a dnside, but, IMO, the positives outweigh the negatives.
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It's greed more than anything else. An extra home game against a Conference USA or Sun Belt team is worth millions to the athletic program, and it's a guaranteed win.

In Miami's case, they'd love to get UF back on the schedule to guarantee at least one sellout on their home slate every other year. Miami needs UF more than UF needs Miami.

That said, I'd like to see us play a home-and-home with Miami once a decade. If Miami has a problem with that they can beg the SEC for membership. Ditto for FSU...the A She She is a joke of a conference.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
It's greed more than anything else. An extra home game against a Conference USA or Sun Belt team is worth millions to the athletic program, and it's a guaranteed win.

In Miami's case, they'd love to get UF back on the schedule to guarantee at least one sellout on their home slate every other year. Miami needs UF more than UF needs Miami.

That said, I'd like to see us play a home-and-home with Miami once a decade. If Miami has a problem with that the can beg the SEC for membership. Ditto for FSU...the A She She is a joke of a conference.
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Exactly. That's my point---they can't see the forest for the trees...
 
#43
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oskie_score said:
Exactly. That's my point---they can't see the forest for the trees...
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I think it's also a way to generate revenue to fund other sports in the athletic department, but it would be nice to have a home-and-home against a Texas or Oregon once in a while.
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#44
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Infinite_vol615 said:
As a vol fan, I hope they continue to recruit good.. Same with Miami. Take as much instate talent away from florida as possible.
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This is the dumbest, most inaccurate statement that gets thrown around on VN. Look where the big 3 are in recruiting...all in the top 5 currently. When FL annually has 50 4*, and given UF's and FSU's proximity to south GA and lower AL, how do you think that one killing it in recruiting automatically means the other is hurting?

FSU has pulled top 15 classes, at worst, forever. Their slide and UF's rise had nothing to do with personnel, it was a matter of coaching.

Example: 2000 FSU plays OU for the national title, UM and UF play each other in the Sugar Bowl.
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#45
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Lawrence Wright said:
Yeah, that's it. I don't see UT chomping at the bit to add FSU and Miami to its OOC schedule every year...I guess that makes UT afraid too.
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You idiot, Miami isn't our rival. We at least play someone out of state from a BCS conference every year, and from time to time go out of state to play a game out of conference.
 
#46
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UTK said:
You idiot, Miami isn't our rival. We at least play someone out of state from a BCS conference every year, and from time to time go out of state to play a game out of conference.
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When your in-state rivals are Vandy and MTSU, and you HAVE to recruit nationally to field a championship caliber team, you play a national schedule. That said, rival or not, UT isn't exactly looking at FSU or Miami annually to fill one of those out of state OOC games.

Meanwhile, UF plays FSU every year. When the BCS adds a "strength of schedule based on out of state, out of conference road games" component to its formula, you might have a decent argument.

When an idiot calls you an idiot, it's considered a compliment, so thanks.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
When your in-state rivals are Vandy and MTSU, and you HAVE to recruit nationally to field a championship caliber team, you play a national schedule. That said, rival or not, UT isn't exactly looking at FSU or Miami annually to fill one of those out of state OOC games.

Meanwhile, UF plays FSU every year. When the BCS adds a "strength of schedule based on out of state, out of conference road games" component to its formula, you might have a decent argument.

When an idiot calls you an idiot, it's considered a compliment, so thanks.
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:lolabove: We've played Miami just as many times as you this decade. So yeah. I'm just saying Miami would gladly play you every year.
 
#48
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Lawrence Wright said:
I think it's also a way to generate revenue to fund other sports in the athletic department, but it would be nice to have a home-and-home against a Texas or Oregon once in a while.
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No question, (football) revenue is the life-blood---with monies allocated throughout the A-Dept---w/out it, the survival of other (sports) programs would come into question.

Back to my original point, in 2012 for example, Tennessee plays a 12 gm (reg season) schedule, including Buffalo, Cincinnati, Montana, and MTSU...that's four OOC gms, instead, at least one of these should be a BCS and/or perennial Top 10-15 team. IMO. This would ensure that Tennessee would still get it's guaranteed payout AND "W" from those three, while receiving a nice Network payout (audience attracting-marquee match up), Regional and/or National exposure, RPI Rankings, etc.
For the University, the A-Dept, and the program, the benefits, short and long term, outweigh the risks.
 
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UTK said:
:lolabove: We've played Miami just as many times as you this decade. So yeah. I'm just saying Miami would gladly play you every year.
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Of course they would...they'd love for 40,000 UF fans to fill their otherwise empty stadium every other year.

We play them again in 2 years, in addition to playing FSU every year. Our schedule is just fine, thanks.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Of course they would...they'd love for 40,000 UF fans to fill their otherwise empty stadium every other year.

We play them again in 2 years, in addition to playing FSU every year. Our schedule is just fine, thanks.
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That was very teenage girlish of you.
 
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