Fulmer has a worse record over the past 7 yrs
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allvol
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however, you must admit that over half the losses to ranked opponents have come during 2 seasons. Just looking at the past 4 seasons, he's won 11, 8, 10, and 10 games. They have won or tied the SEC East 3 of the past 4 seasons and represented the SEC East twice in the SECCG. They dropped the ball this year :question: and typically, under Fulmer, they rebound from a season like this with 10 or more wins and a shot at an SEC Championship.
Firing Fulmer after winning or tieing the SEC East 3 out of 4 seasons, just because he did not win the SECCG would be like firing Bobby Cox because Atlanta makes the playoffs every season, but they've only won 1 world series.
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In response to my good friend Allvol:
I think they were I-A. However, with the talent on the team in '96 that lost to Momphis, I would argue it is the worst loss in TN football history.
I think that would serious data mining. That's 2 out of the 6 seasosn; taking out one-third of the stats.
Frankly, that doesn't a mean a thing to me. It's one of those made up benchmarks signifying a feaux standing. Yes, getting there is a positive, but it is not a standout season to me. Other coaches don't get credit pre-divisional play.
Again, I don't recognize SEC East standings. They aren't actual standings other than for a tournament seeding which has 2 teams in football. Before the split, you either won the SEC or you didn't. They didn't have all of these 3-layered championships that we've created out of thin air.
That Bobby Cox analogy doesn't work because he is in the World Championship. He has to WIN the national league (conference) to get there. Winning his division means nothing.
Being 3-13 against top 10 teams since the '01 FL victory is telling. Having a sub .500 win% against ranked teams over his CAREER is telling.
Having said all that, I'm still in his corner. I just think he has a lot of shortcomings that get masked because he is such a good recruiter. A great staff would do wonders!!!!
I think they were I-A. However, with the talent on the team in '96 that lost to Momphis, I would argue it is the worst loss in TN football history.
I think that would serious data mining. That's 2 out of the 6 seasosn; taking out one-third of the stats.
Frankly, that doesn't a mean a thing to me. It's one of those made up benchmarks signifying a feaux standing. Yes, getting there is a positive, but it is not a standout season to me. Other coaches don't get credit pre-divisional play.
Again, I don't recognize SEC East standings. They aren't actual standings other than for a tournament seeding which has 2 teams in football. Before the split, you either won the SEC or you didn't. They didn't have all of these 3-layered championships that we've created out of thin air.
That Bobby Cox analogy doesn't work because he is in the World Championship. He has to WIN the national league (conference) to get there. Winning his division means nothing.
Being 3-13 against top 10 teams since the '01 FL victory is telling. Having a sub .500 win% against ranked teams over his CAREER is telling.
Having said all that, I'm still in his corner. I just think he has a lot of shortcomings that get masked because he is such a good recruiter. A great staff would do wonders!!!!
I agree. IMO this is how the conference standings are translated now.
1. Winner of the SEC championship game
2. Loser of the SEC championship game
3. #2 team in SEC east and #2 team SEC west
5. #3 team in SEC east and #3 team SEC west
7. #4 " " " " "
He may finish tied for 1st in the SEC east, but thats equivalent to finishing #3 in the conference if your not going to the SEC championship game. Occasionally by some fluke you might get a BCS bowl game, but if the east and west are equally competitive, this is how it realistically looks.
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:banghead: Someone please stop this insanitity!!!! Wake up folks!!!!!!!!! Who cares about the past and prior coaches????? We are 3-5 with three games that should normally be a done deal. we will lose at least one of the three and will no go to a bowl this year!!!!!! This is UN-ACCEPTABLE !!!!!!!!! Fulmers needs to be fired!!!!!!! We need new/young blood from outside the schools post players. We need a winner to turn this thing around. We need to be the NUMBER ONE ranked team most every year, not every now and then!!!!!! WAKE UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
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Since 1998, I believe Fulmer has a losing record against LSU, Auburn, and GA.
IMO, Bill Battle was fired because his program was in decline. His teams were progressively getting worse.
The rumor is, part of the reason Majors was fired, was Fulmer threatening to take a head coaching job somewhere else, if he wasnt named head coach at UT. If thats true, which I tend to believe it is, I think Fulmer should be expected to be outperforming Majors, since he helped get him fired, by threatening to leave the program.
The reality is, the program under Fulmer the last 7 years has not performed as well Majors program performed during his last 7 years. The program has actually declined somewhat since Fulmer has been head coach.
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Holy Crap folks...i've been splattered with so many statistics i don't know what the arguement was all about anymore.
here's one for you though
National Titles: Phil 1. Majors 0 Battle 0
Wins over Bama: Phil 9 Majors 2 or 3? Battle: ? but i know it wasn't 9.
In any event...Phil gets his chance to fix it. It's one year of really bad play. if we have one or two more years with little or no improvement, then get the moving truck, ok? but for now, give the man a chance, he has earned that.
Plus neither Majors or Battle had divisional play to worry about, and neither played the OOC competition we have under Fulmer.
and lest not forget...the conf. is a 6 team conf. now, back then it was a two or three team conf. every year...the in house competition has gotten much better...look at this:
LSU, TN, Bama and UF have all won NC's during Fulmer's era.
UGA, LSU, Aub, Bama, UF, UT have all won the conf. in Fulmer's era.
Every team in the in the conf. except Vandy, USC and KY have at least won, or tied for thier dvision in Fulmer's era.
If I remember correctly, and i could definitely be wrong...in the 80's for the SEC it was UGA early part, Aub and Bama later in the decade that dominated the SEC? UT won or tied a couple here and there as well. I also think Bama and UGA were the only teams win NC's in the 80s, that was pretty much dominated by OK, Miami...
It's a different animal these days folks...comparing us now and then don't work.
here's one for you though
National Titles: Phil 1. Majors 0 Battle 0
Wins over Bama: Phil 9 Majors 2 or 3? Battle: ? but i know it wasn't 9.
In any event...Phil gets his chance to fix it. It's one year of really bad play. if we have one or two more years with little or no improvement, then get the moving truck, ok? but for now, give the man a chance, he has earned that.
Plus neither Majors or Battle had divisional play to worry about, and neither played the OOC competition we have under Fulmer.
and lest not forget...the conf. is a 6 team conf. now, back then it was a two or three team conf. every year...the in house competition has gotten much better...look at this:
LSU, TN, Bama and UF have all won NC's during Fulmer's era.
UGA, LSU, Aub, Bama, UF, UT have all won the conf. in Fulmer's era.
Every team in the in the conf. except Vandy, USC and KY have at least won, or tied for thier dvision in Fulmer's era.
If I remember correctly, and i could definitely be wrong...in the 80's for the SEC it was UGA early part, Aub and Bama later in the decade that dominated the SEC? UT won or tied a couple here and there as well. I also think Bama and UGA were the only teams win NC's in the 80s, that was pretty much dominated by OK, Miami...
It's a different animal these days folks...comparing us now and then don't work.
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Get a grip. I already showed that Majors bowl record was against a bunch of unranked teams. His record is not as good as Fulmer's and he DID NOT WIN the conference outright in either 1989 or 1990. There were multiple reasons Majors was fired ---- it started with hime making racial comments towards players. Majors only had two 10+ seasons during his 16 years at Tennessee. However, Fulmer has won 10+ games 8 times in his 13 seasons as coach. So don't tell us how Fulmer should be fired after one sub par season by Johnny Major's standards. Johnny went 5-6 in 1988 and they didn't fire him... so its evident that he wasn't fired because of his record. Johnny was 7-5 in 1986 after finishing the 1985 season 4th in the nation. He was 7-4-1 in 1984 losing to Maryland in the Sun Bowl. He was 6-5-1 in 1982 losing to Iowa in the Peach Bowl. He was 5-6 again in 1980 with the seniors on that squad being the highest recruiting class in the nation. 7-5 in 1979, 5-5-1 in 1978, and 4-7 in 1977, the Vols first losing season since 1964.
Don't get me wrong. I liked Johnny Majors. He had that no quit attitude. He is an icon in Tennessee football history. He came marching home after winning the National Championship at Pittsburgh in 1976. However, I think that Fulmer is a much better coach and the overall records of each coach are evidence of that.
Guys, since the 98 NC year
loss to LSU in SECCG, were we outcoached or outplayed, we beat them earlier in the year with the same players?
Losses to GA. did they have better players or were we outcoached.
Fla. losses outcoached or outplayed
Peach bowl losses to Clemson and Maryland, who's fault
if you guys think that we have not had the talent to win these games :fool: , and if we had won a few of these games we would be talking about at least having a couple more shots at NC's
we have had at least more talent or on par with any of the teams that have beaten us when it mattered most. So how have they beaten us here's a clue "outcoached" :crazy:
loss to LSU in SECCG, were we outcoached or outplayed, we beat them earlier in the year with the same players?
Losses to GA. did they have better players or were we outcoached.
Fla. losses outcoached or outplayed
Peach bowl losses to Clemson and Maryland, who's fault
if you guys think that we have not had the talent to win these games :fool: , and if we had won a few of these games we would be talking about at least having a couple more shots at NC's
we have had at least more talent or on par with any of the teams that have beaten us when it mattered most. So how have they beaten us here's a clue "outcoached" :crazy:
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When I see anyone overweight such as Phil or Weiss I can't help but think why do you let yourself get that way, you've been athletes and you're around athletes all day, certainly have the facilities to work out and probably some personal trainers to help them, it's just a bad example and it just shows a personal lack of disipline
And then you take a jab at me or have you actually seen me, my stats 47 5' 11" 174lbs won two state titles in Mountain bike racing in GA and NC, won the overall at the Jackrabbit duathlon in April, that means I beat all ages, run 5k's in the mid 18's compete in Adventure races, race Vintage Motocross which at one time was considered the worlds 2nd most physically demanding sport behind soccer, yes I think I can say Phil or Weiss or any of these coaches in their condition should have some personal disipline and take care of themselves, just because you get older is no excuse.
Oh almost forgot played high school football, played both ways and we won a state title, and yes I was a starter
And then you take a jab at me or have you actually seen me, my stats 47 5' 11" 174lbs won two state titles in Mountain bike racing in GA and NC, won the overall at the Jackrabbit duathlon in April, that means I beat all ages, run 5k's in the mid 18's compete in Adventure races, race Vintage Motocross which at one time was considered the worlds 2nd most physically demanding sport behind soccer, yes I think I can say Phil or Weiss or any of these coaches in their condition should have some personal disipline and take care of themselves, just because you get older is no excuse.
Oh almost forgot played high school football, played both ways and we won a state title, and yes I was a starter
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