Fulmer has a worse record over the past 7 yrs

[Liper]

Originally posted by mxfox@Nov 9, 2005 11:57 PM
loss to LSU in SECCG, were we outcoached or outplayed, we beat them earlier in the year with the same players?

Losses to GA. did they have better players or were we outcoached.

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1 - The loss to LSU was actually worse than you make it out. We beat them earlier in 2001 when we were at less than full strength. Dante Stallworth did not play in that game, and I believe Big John may have been hurt as well.

In the SECCG we were a BETTER team than the one that beat them earlier in the year, and they were a WORSE team. They lost their leader, Davey, who happened to be playing the most important position on the field: QB.

However, I temper my remarks with knowledge that LSU was a superbly coached team and did have a lot of talent.

2 - UGA had no business beating us that year. We were a superior team at that point. Remember, David Greene was a freshman QB playing away against a team that owned them and was better to boot. They were unranked at the time.

 

[smokedog#3]

come on guys no reason to call phil, Phil. i'm not a fulmer worshiper like some, but he is a tennessee boy. played at tennessee , coached at tennessee, from winchester. i believe he should go, especially if he don't do any better next year, but there is no need for name calling. i think everybody is forgetting we are all tennessee fans, some just have different views.

 

[volinbham]

Originally posted by jed1@Nov 9, 2005 4:50 PM
I think a lot of those wins came with the players Majors recruited.

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Yep, Fulmer just can't recruit :crazy:

 

[blurbman]

Originally posted by volinbham@Nov 10, 2005 10:37 AM
Yep, Fulmer just can't recruit  :crazy:

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Fulmer has let things slide badly on the offense and special teams over the last five years. To a large extent, he's been oblivious to the problems--partly because he's managed to grease out SEVERAL very UGLY wins in recent years and partly because Fulmer never wants to face the idea that the coaching has been sub-par. He's been in denial for years, which is why the problems have festered and grown worse.

 

[WA_Vol]

Majors won 2 sugar bowls and one cotton bowl during this time. THESE WERE NOT MINOR BOWLS. His bowl record was 5-1. However, the 2 peach bowl losses Fulmer had to 2 acc teams were minor bowls.

The topic of the thread was comparing Fulmer and Majors last 7 years. Everyone is in agreement Majors first years in the program were horrible. But his last 7 seven years are better then Fulmers past 7 years, of this there is little doubt.

 

[Fayettevol]

Originally posted by mxfox@Nov 10, 2005 12:03 AM
and talk about disipline, Phil need to get his s........tuff together over the off season, lose about 100 lbs with a good workout program and have a hardnosed attitude, he's to soft and the players take advantage of it , disipline starts at home and Phil need to start with hisself.

Oh IMO.

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And you need to go re-take 6th grade English.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by jed1 :crazy: @Nov 9, 2005 4:50 PM
I think a lot of those wins came with the players Majors recruited.

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[allvol]

Originally posted by Liper@Nov 10, 2005 10:31 AM
1 - The loss to LSU was actually worse than you make it out.  We beat them earlier in 2001 when we were at less than full strength.  Dante Stallworth did not play in that game, and I believe Big John may have been hurt as well.

In the SECCG we were a BETTER team than the one that beat them earlier in the year, and they were a WORSE team.  They lost their leader, Davey, who happened to be playing the most important position on the field: QB.

However, I temper my remarks with knowledge that LSU was a superbly coached team and did have a lot of talent.

2 - UGA had no business beating us that year.  We were a superior team at that point.  Remember, David Greene was a freshman QB playing away against a team that owned them and was better to boot.  They were unranked at the time.

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I will agree that LSU had no business beating Tennessee that season. However, the reasons for that loss were not putting up a big enough lead when they had a chance. Two 4th quarter turnovers against a suddenly inspired football team cost the Vols the game.

It has been a trend that started long before Fulmer. Lesser teams are not put away early... are close in the 4th quarter... get inspired... and pull out the win over Tennessee or at least are within shooting distance at the end. If you remember, the first meeting that season with LSU ended with Tennessee blowing a big lead and LSU throwing into the endzone at the end of the game with a chance to send it to overtime.

Fulmer needs to get the "killer instinct" back. He needs to coach "to win" not coach to "not lose" that he's has started doing as of late.

If the Vols had played defense instead of celebrating, they would have beaten Georgia in 2001 too.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by oklavol@Nov 10, 2005 6:51 PM
Majors won 2 sugar bowls and one cotton bowl during this time. THESE WERE NOT MINOR BOWLS.  His bowl record was 5-1.  However, the 2 peach bowl losses Fulmer had to 2 acc teams were minor bowls.

The topic of the thread was comparing Fulmer and Majors last 7 years.  Everyone is in agreement Majors first years in the program were horrible.  But his last 7 seven years are better then Fulmers past 7 years, of this there is little doubt.

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All bowls are minor now unless its for the National Championship.

Here are Majors bowl games in his last 7 seasons with the other teams' rankings:

1986 Liberty Bowl Minnesota (nr) W 21-14
1987 Peach Bowl Indiana (nr) W 27-22
1988 NO BOWL
1989 Cotton Bowl Arkansas (10) W 31-27
1990 Sugar Bowl Virginia (nr) W 23-22
1991 Fiesta Bowl Penn State (6) L 17-42
1992 Quit prior to the bowl game

Here are Fulmer's bowl games for the past 7 seasons with the other team's rankings:

1999 Fiesta Bowl Nebraska (3) L 21-31
2000 Cotton Bowl Kansas State (11) L 21-35
2001 Citrus Bowl Michigan (17) W 45-17
2002 Peach Bowl Maryland (20) L 3-30
2003 Peach Bowl Clemson (nr) L 14-27
2004 Cotton Bowl Texas A&M (22) W 38-7
2005 ???

Yes, 4-1 looks much better than 2-4. However, Johnny Majors only beat 1 ranked team in those 5 bowls. And the only traditional powerhouse that he went against (Penn State) beat Majors 42-17. Both of Fulmer's wins came over ranked teams. And at least 1 of the Wins came over the program that is the all-time winniest in NCAA history.

If you go back just one more year, you will pick up Johnny Major's biggest bowl victory... The Sugar Bowl after the 1985 season where the Vols upset #2 Miami 35-7. The Vols finished #4 in the final poll. However, you also have to go back one year for Fulmer too, and his biggest bowl victory, a 23-16 win in the Fiesta Bowl over # 2 Florida State FOR THE NATIONAL TITLE.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by allvol@Nov 11, 2005 1:11 PM
All bowls are minor now unless its for the National Championship.

Here are Majors bowl games in his last 7 seasons with the other teams' rankings:

1986 Liberty Bowl Minnesota (nr) W 21-14
1987 Peach Bowl Indiana (nr) W 27-22
1988 NO BOWL
1989 Cotton Bowl Arkansas (10) W 31-27
1990 Sugar Bowl Virginia (nr) W 23-22
1991 Fiesta Bowl Penn State (6) L 17-42
1992 Quit prior to the bowl game

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The original article did include the 1985 sugar bowl win over #2 Miami, on Jan. 1, 1986 that you mentioned. Thats how they had Majors 5-1, with 2 sugar bowl win, one cotton bowl win, and 3 sec titles.

It also included all of Fulmers post season play which included 2 losses in SEC championship Games. Making Fulmer 2-6 in post season play.

Good Post though, with all the info.

 

[GAVol]

One other thing is that it's now a little more difficult to win the SEC now since there is a Championship game. Under the old format, Fulmer would have won the 2001 SEC title.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 11, 2005 3:23 PM
One other thing is that it's now a little more difficult to win the SEC now since there is a Championship game.  Under the old format, Fulmer would have won the 2001 SEC title.

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I dont agree. The teams Fulmer is losing too have been in the SEC for years; Florida, Georgia, Auburn, LSU, these guys have been in the league a long time. Majors, Battle, etc all faced these same programs.

 

[GAVol]

I understand that. All I'm saying is that Fulmer would have had an additional SEC title under the old format. Majors and Battle never had to play an additional conference game at the end of the year to win a championship. Look at the 1989 season for instance. We went 11-1 and won the SEC, but the lone loss was a beatdown at the hands of Alabama . . . who we probably would have had to play again at the end of the year. Who knows what would have happened if we had to play Auburn or Alabama again in '85, '89 and '91?

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 11, 2005 3:51 PM
I understand that.  All I'm saying is that Fulmer would have had an additional SEC title under the old format.  Majors and Battle never had to play an additional conference game at the end of the year to win a championship.  Look at the 1989 season for instance.  We went 11-1 and won the SEC, but the lone loss was a beatdown at the hands of Alabama . . . who we probably would have had to play again at the end of the year.  Who knows what would have happened if we had to play Auburn or Alabama again in '85, '89 and '91?

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Thats true, but it didnt seem to be much of a problem for Spurrier, Richt, Saban, or Tuberville when they had to play the extra championship game. It seemed to be mainly a problem for Fulmer.

 

[GAVol]

I know I'm beating a dead horse on this one, but other than Saban who was around for a short time, all of those coaches have lost in the SEC Championship game. In fact, Spurrier is the only one of the remaining 3 that you mentioned that even has above a .500 record in that game . . . and even he has lost in Atlanta twice.

Fulmer is 2-2 in the championship game.

 

[volmanjr]

I wouldn't trade coaching staffs in that same time frame with any of the other SEC schools if it was an all or nothing trade.

 

[mxfox]

Originally posted by Fayettevol@Nov 11, 2005 10:48 AM
And you need to go re-take 6th grade English.

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And I guess you're an english teacher, big whoop
himself you happy
this is a site about Vol football, who cares if we spell correctly or use proper english, and the I spelled it the way I wanted it so there
Yes I called Phil fat, if I had said skinny would you have had
a problem, I guess I should have said overweight, the point is he knows he's overweight and it doesn't happen overnight, just shows a lack of disipline on his part and 95% of all the fat a$$es in america. Problem is he is the leader of a major college football team and is an example out here for millions to see.
If he disciplines himself then when he dishes out some disipline it should be more effective and that is one thing among others that is needed with the team .

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 11, 2005 4:58 PM
I know I'm beating a dead horse on this one, but other than Saban who was around for a short time, all of those coaches have lost in the SEC Championship game.  In fact, Spurrier is the only one of the remaining 3 that you mentioned that even has above a .500 record in that game . . . and even he has  lost in Atlanta twice. 

Fulmer is 2-2 in the championship game.

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NO ONE IS ARGUEING THAT FULMER DIDNT DO A GOOD JOB AS A COACH WHEN HE TOOK OVER AND UP THROUGH THE 1998 N.C.

THE TOPIC WAS FULMERS RECORD THE PAST 7 YEARS, VS MAJORS AND BATTLES. FULMER'S W-L RECORD IS ABOUT THE SAME AS BOTH BATTLE AND MAJORS WHO WERE FIRED.

DURING THAT TIME FULMERS RECORD IN THE SEC CHAMP. GAME IS 0-2. TUBBERVILLE IS 1-1, SABAN WAS 2-0. AND RICHT IS 1-1.

CHAMPION

1999 - Alabama
2000 - Florida
2001 - LSU
2002 - Georgia
2003 - LSU
2004 - Auburn

Division Winners & Conference Runner-Ups

1999 - Florida (East)
2000 - Auburn (West)
2001 - Tennessee (East)
2002 - Arkansas (West)
2003 - Georgia (East)
2004 - Tennessee (East)

AGAIN I'M NOT SAYING IN THIS THREAD MAJORS GOT FIRED FOR HIS W-L RECORD, I'M SAYING THIS WAS HIS W-L RECORD WHEN HE GOT FIRED. THERE WERE OTHER CONTRIBUTING REASONS. HE WAS ACTUALLY DOING A LITTLE BETTER THE FULMER IS DOING NOW.

THERE IS THIS ILLUSION OUT THERE THAT FULMER HAS ELEVATED THE PROGRAM SINCE HE TOOK OVER. HE DID UP UNTIL 99. SINCE THEN HIS W-L RECORD IS NO BETTER THEN MAJORS OR BATTLES.

 

[GAVol]

Dude, calm down. All I did was point out that under the old format that Majors played in, Fulmer would have another SEC title. No need to burn up your caps lock.

 

[GAVol]

Originally posted by mxfox@Nov 11, 2005 4:31 PM
who cares if we spell correctly or use proper english,

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:mf_surrender:

He's right. Small details like that only matter if you want to, say, seem intelligent.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 11, 2005 7:00 PM
Dude, calm down.  All I did was point out that under the old format that Majors played in, Fulmer would have another SEC title.  No need to burn up your caps lock.

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I'VE STARTED DEVELOPING A BUNKER MENTALITY IN HERE, WHERE I'M WAITING FOR THE NEX BOMB TO GO OFF :focus:

 

[Jasongivm6]

Originally posted by mxfox@Nov 11, 2005 4:31 PM
And I guess you're an english teacher, big whoop
himself you happy
this is a site about Vol football, who cares if we spell correctly or use proper english, and the I spelled it  the way I wanted it so there
Yes I called Phil fat, if I had said skinny would you have had
a problem, I guess I should have said overweight, the point is he knows he's overweight and it doesn't happen overnight, just shows a lack of disipline on his part and 95% of all the fat a$$es in america. Problem is he is the leader of a major college football team and is an example out here for millions to see.
If he disciplines himself then when  he dishes  out some disipline it should be more effective and that is one thing among others that is needed with the team .

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:unsure: :hmm:

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by mxfox@Nov 11, 2005 4:31 PM
And I guess you're an english teacher, big whoop
himself you happy
this is a site about Vol football, who cares if we spell correctly or use proper english, and the I spelled it  the way I wanted it so there
Yes I called Phil fat, if I had said skinny would you have had
a problem, I guess I should have said overweight, the point is he knows he's overweight and it doesn't happen overnight, just shows a lack of disipline on his part and 95% of all the fat a$$es in america. Problem is he is the leader of a major college football team and is an example out here for millions to see.
If he disciplines himself then when  he dishes  out some disipline it should be more effective and that is one thing among others that is needed with the team .

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Talk about lack of discipline....

 

[smokedog#3]

who knows who of these three guys is better. point is tennessee football is down and fulmer is the coach. i agree with oklavol that there are similarities in all three of there records over there last 7 years. battle or majors never had the talent that fulmer has been able to bring in. which really sort of shows you what a below average job fulmer has done. with that kind of talent, we should atleast have one sec title since 98. when he meets another good coach you have to bet on the other team. i wonder what his record is against, saban, spurrier, richt, tubberville, shula and in all his bowl games it has to be a joke. people can say fulmer has elevated us to the next level he did. now he has brought us back right where he started, average. 4th best in the sec east that says it all.