Fulmer is still the best name.

[LebanonVolunteer]

The "issues" re: AD chain of command are now gone. Wouldn't help Fulmer one bit.

Also, 45-55 wins in 5 years? You have lost your damn mind. The latter is Nick Saban territory.

Skeeter seems to think the COC issues are very much still in play. It's just now Hart, Martin and Cheek instead of the last group. He said that is why coaches are running in the other direction. You don't take a job with clear disadvantages unless you have to. If the issues were not there and very clear, coaches would not shy away from the UT job.

 

[LA Vol]

We are being played for raises and extensions by anybody that we'll talk to. We need to start focusing on people who really want to be here, as opposed to people that we try to Godfather into coming when they want to be somewhere else. Lane Kiffin, Mike Gundy and Charlie Strong all played us, and it'll be the same thing with Smart, who really wants Bama or UGA. I'm not endorsing anybody specifically, but it would be nice to get as much orange as we can back in the program. Chavis and Tee Martin could be good for morale.

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

Honestly, if Fulmer were here the last 3 years instead of Dooley and had the exact same record, people would still be defending him...and saying that Tennessee is just an impossible place to win championships but Fulmer is the only person who can do it.

I would disagree with that. I don't agree that he should have been fired when he was, but if it was time for him to go they should have done it with class and some professionalism.

K state did it right with Snyder.

2004 4-7/2-6
2005 5-6/2-6

Then he retired. they brought him back in 2009

2009 6-6/4-4
2010 7-6/3-5
2011 10-3/7-2
2012 11-1/8-1

And because they did it that way, it paid off. They didn't burn their bridges like we did.

 

[Oskie Volum]

Skeeter seems to think the COC issues are very much still in play. It's just now Hart, Martin and Cheek instead of the last group. He said that is why coaches are running in the other direction. You don't take a job with clear disadvantages unless you have to. If the issues were not there and very clear, coaches would not shy away from the UT job.

Smh

 

[NashVol11]

Fulmer won 9 games in 2006 and 10 in 2007. That is 19 wins in 2 years with the "issues". Nothing saying he could not do that or better. You telling yourself your SURE he would not has no more to support it than those who think he could. 11 seasons out of 16 he won 9 or more. His resume says he could very well win 45-55 in 5 years(70 games possible w/SECT/Bowl games).

First 6 years: 63-11 (.851)
Next 5 years: 46-17 (.730)
Last 5 years: 39-24 (.619)

Notice a trend?

And you think 55 is a possibility? He's never won that many games in a 5-year period in his entire career. Go ahead and check, I'll wait.

You're saying we would be as good as or better than we were in the '90s "glory days." What on Earth would possess you to think we're going back to that?

 

[Slydell]

Our last four years.....23-27.

 

[northknoxvol]

I dont want a nobody when I can have a Hall of Fame coach who lives and breaths Tennessee Football. Long Live Fulmer! No scrubs! No Dooleys!

 

[NashVol11]

I would disagree with that. I don't agree that he should have been fired when he was, but if it was time for him to go they should have done it with class and some professionalism.

K state did it right with Snyder.

2004 4-7/2-6
2005 5-6/2-6

Then he retired. they brought him back in 2009

2009 6-6/4-4
2010 7-6/3-5
2011 10-3/7-2
2012 11-1/8-1

And because they did it that way, it paid off. They didn't burn their bridges like we did.

We didn't burn any bridges. Fulmer would crawl to UT for the job if offered, but he's not getting offered because
1. He's not Snyder and didn't build our program up from nothing
2. We're not Kansas State
3. This isn't the Big 12

Pick whichever reason you like the best, because they're all true.

 

[NashVol11]

Our last four years.....23-27.

Haven't we addressed this argument about 58 times? Everyone is in agreement that Derek Dooley is a bad coach.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

First 6 years: 63-11 (.851)
Next 5 years: 46-17 (.730)
Last 5 years: 39-24 (.619)

Notice a trend?

And you think 55 is a possibility? He's never won that many games in a 5-year period in his entire career. Go ahead and check, I'll wait.

You're saying we would be as good as or better than we were in the '90s "glory days." What on Earth would possess you to think we're going back to that?

Maybe you missed my point. When did the issues in the AD start? Skeeter said it was about 10 years ago. Fulmers last 5, Kiffin for 1, and Dooley for 3. Hmmm, seems to kind of fit the discussion huh?

Would it maybe point to why Fulmer all a sudden really struggled to field a team like he did the 1st 10 years? I doubt he forgot how to coach.

If we can't get any good coaches to want this job with everything we have to offer, there is a very real issue in the AD that people keep pointing to. Blaming Fulmer may not have been the right thing to do. JMO

 

[Slydell]

Haven't we addressed this argument about 58 times? Everyone is in agreement that Derek Dooley is a bad coach.

Maybe only 36 times this week. Not nearly as much as needed.

 

[NashVol11]

Maybe you missed my point. When did the issues in the AD start? Skeeter said it was about 10 years ago. Fulmers last 5, Kiffin for 1, and Dooley for 3. Hmmm, seems to kind of fit the discussion huh?

Would it maybe point to why Fulmer all a sudden really struggled to field a team like he did the 1st 10 years? I doubt he forgot how to coach.

If we can't get any good coaches to want this job with everything we have to offer, there is a very real issue in the AD that people keep pointing to. Blaming Fulmer may not have been the right thing to do. JMO

Well since you're already in the business of making excuses, maybe you have one for why Fulmer lost to South Carolina by three touchdowns and Kiffin dominated them a year later. Or why the same thing happened to Georgia. Hell, if the AD issues singlehandedly ruined everyone's careers, maybe Kiffin is the one we should hire back; he's the only one who's actually managed to get a job since he left here.

 

[NashVol11]

Would it maybe point to why Fulmer all a sudden really struggled to field a team like he did the 1st 10 years? I doubt he forgot how to coach.

Nevermind that other teams started hiring good coaches and our gigantic talent advantage went out the window. It was all about the big, bad AD.

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

We didn't burn any bridges. Fulmer would crawl to UT for the job if offered, but he's not getting offered because
1. He's not Snyder and didn't build our program up from nothing
2. We're not Kansas State
3. This isn't the Big 12

Pick whichever reason you like the best, because they're all true.

Yes we did burn our bridges. All I keep hearing is Snyder retired and Fulmer was fired that's the difference. Well if we can't rehire him because he was fired, I would say we burnt the bridge.

1. He didn't build our program Neyland did. Fulmer was the best coach we've had since Neyland and people treated him like s**t at the end.

2. your right we are THE TENNESSEE VOLUNTEERS and in case you didn't notice we are the laughing stalk of college football. We lost to VANDY and to add insult to injury the only SEC team we beat was damn Kentucky.
Also K State is ranked in the top 10 and they would spank UT right now.

3.Your right but then again they are ranked in the top 10.

When do you think we might see a top 25 team again?

We can keep on gambling dropping 3 and 4 years at a time till we find someone that can win again.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Nevermind that other teams started hiring good coaches and our gigantic talent advantage went out the window. It was all about the big, bad AD.

Why did the talent advantage go out the window? You do know FULMER is the one who stacked that NC roster right? Maybe these AD "Issues" had alot more to do with it then people let on. Note that no coaches seem to want the job now claiming these same issues exist. "Blame Fulmer" was just the easy thing to do. Here we are 4 years and 2 coaches later and even worse shape.

 

[smokey90]

It doesn't matter if Fulmer lost more games his last five years than his first five year. What matters is that UT cannot get another proven coach. Do you really want some obscure coach trying to recruit kids that have no idea who he is? Or Fulmer that has a long history and a lot of connections in the high schools. He would bring Tee Martin too.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

It doesn't matter if Fulmer lost more games his last five years than his first five year. What matters is that UT cannot get another proven coach. Do you really want some obscure coach trying to recruit kids that have no idea who he is? Or Fulmer that has a long history and a lot of connections in the high schools. He would bring Tee Martin too.

Martin would be great. Chavis is the one I want to see back at UT. Our defense goes from ranked #105 to #50 within a week. They will get better with some work. If our defense was just decent this last year, we would have won 8-10 games. UGA, USCe, Mizzou, all wins. Who knows, maybe more. I think Dale Jones would be a great assistant coach here as well.

 

[NashVol11]

Yes we did burn our bridges. All I keep hearing is Snyder retired and Fulmer was fired that's the difference. Well if we can't rehire him because he was fired, I would say we burnt the bridge.

It's not that we can't, it's that we shouldn't. K-State football basically depends on Snyder. That's the difference. There are people here who thinks Tennessee football depends on Fulmer, too, and those people are the problem. They're Fulmer fans more than Tennessee fans.

we are the laughing stalk of college football.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I'm with @CozyPosey67 @joshuaprimetime and the rest of the VFLs, Stop wasting time bribing the left overs and bring back Coach #Fulmer!
Retweeted by Alan Posey

players on board!!!

You do realize in this case Fulmer IS the leftovers, right? He's the leftovers that's been in the fridge for 4 years that no one wanted.

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

Well since you're already in the business of making excuses, maybe you have one for why Fulmer lost to South Carolina by three touchdowns and Kiffin dominated them a year later. Or why the same thing happened to Georgia. Hell, if the AD issues singlehandedly ruined everyone's careers, maybe Kiffin is the one we should hire back; he's the only one who's actually managed to get a job since he left here.

You do realize Kiffen just sacrificed his dad to stay at USC another year. Everyone want's him gone including the boosters. If he doesn't get it done next season he's gone.

Check his pre-season rankings, the talent he has on that team and where he is now.

 

[NashVol11]

Why did the talent advantage go out the window? You do know FULMER is the one who stacked that NC roster right?

Rodney Garner also had a lot to do with it, as did the fact that Georgia sucked, Alabama sucked, and LSU sucked for the most part. But I wouldn't expect you to notice that.

Maybe these AD "Issues" had alot more to do with it then people let on.

Wow. Just wow. You're saying that kids started choosing Georgia and South Carolina and Bama over Tennessee because of who the Athletic Director's boss was? Dear God. You're either really, really dedicated to making excuses for Fulmer, or straight up delusional. I hope it's the former.

 

[NashVol11]

You do realize Kiffen just sacrificed his dad to stay at USC another year. Everyone want's him gone including the boosters. If he doesn't get it done next season he's gone.

Check his pre-season rankings, the talent he has on that team and where he is now.

He was staying regardless. That team had no depth and no defense from the very beginning; they had no business in the top 10. He maybe should have been 8-4 or 9-3, but all the national title talk was a result of outsized expectations he created when he beat Oregon last year.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Rodney Garner also had a lot to do with it, as did the fact that Georgia sucked, Alabama sucked, and LSU sucked for the most part. But I wouldn't expect you to notice that.



Wow. Just wow. You're saying that kids started choosing Georgia and South Carolina and Bama over Tennessee because of who the Athletic Director's boss was? Dear God. You're either really, really dedicated to making excuses for Fulmer, or straight up delusional. I hope it's the former.

Your ignoring the whole point of my posts, as usual. RECRUITING is what suffered because of the AD issues that took place 9-10 years ago. Right around the time Fulmer started to struggle keeping up with the rest of the SEC. STILL TODAY, the same issues are the problem. Kiffin, and Dooley struggled with the issues, and so will the next guy unless Hart can make Martin and Cheek rethink the way things work in the AD. Your going to blame Fulmer, you always have. Dooley's 3 years of losing was all Fulmers fault as well. If another coach goes 5-19 you will tell us how Fulmer was to blame.:good!:

 

[Volru]

Haven't any of the bring back Fulmer drones noticed that nobody but nobody offered him a job after Tennessee? Three words explain what success Fulmer had: Majors, Cutcliff, and Chavis.

 

[NashVol11]

Your ignoring the whole point of my posts, as usual. RECRUITING is what suffered because of the AD issues that took place 9-10 years ago. Right around the time Fulmer started to struggle keeping up with the rest of the SEC.

No, I get your point, it's just a really really stupid point. High school kids don't give a sh*t about the administration and Kiffin had absolutely no trouble recruiting here.

Dooley struggled with the issues, and so will the next guy unless Hart can make Martin and Cheek rethink the way things work in the AD. Your going to blame Fulmer, you always have. Dooley's 3 years of losing was all Fulmers fault as well. If another coach goes 5-19 you will tell us how Fulmer was to blame.:good!:

So you think Dooley was a great coach and the big bad Athletic Department was what kept him from unleashing his greatness on the SEC East?

That tells me all I need to know.