Further Nil Chaos??

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i think one thing that athletes, especially football, do not understand is if this does go the way of NCAA becoming a form of pro football and players are employees, yes it will greatly benefit the players who are already making bank off NIL, but the players it will hurt are they ones who never see the field and are using football strictly to get an education. reason being, you now have 85 scholorships and numerous walkons, if they become paid employees, i could see rosters being closer to the 50-55 that NFL rosters are. and the numerous walkons becoming a 10 player practice squad. and it all comes back to the idea that 55 players would cost less than 85
 
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tnvolfan16 said:
i think one thing that athletes, especially football, do not understand is if this does go the way of NCAA becoming a form of pro football and players are employees, yes it will greatly benefit the players who are already making bank off NIL, but the players it will hurt are they ones who never see the field and are using football strictly to get an education. reason being, you now have 85 scholorships and numerous walkons, if they become paid employees, i could see rosters being closer to the 50-55 that NFL rosters are. and the numerous walkons becoming a 10 player practice squad. and it all comes back to the idea that 55 players would cost less than 85
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Not to mention the unprofitable sports may be dropped altogether.

It would be hard to argue that a tennis player or track athlete or swimmer is not as committed or putting in time for the university just like a football player. It will ripple across all college athletics.
 
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tnvolfan16 said:
i think one thing that athletes, especially football, do not understand is if this does go the way of NCAA becoming a form of pro football and players are employees, yes it will greatly benefit the players who are already making bank off NIL, but the players it will hurt are they ones who never see the field and are using football strictly to get an education. reason being, you now have 85 scholorships and numerous walkons, if they become paid employees, i could see rosters being closer to the 50-55 that NFL rosters are. and the numerous walkons becoming a 10 player practice squad. and it all comes back to the idea that 55 players would cost less than 85
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Not to mention the unprofitable sports may be dropped altogether.

It would be hard to argue that a tennis player or track athlete or swimmer is not as committed or putting in time for the university just like a football player. It will ripple across all college athletics.
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College athletics is going the way of the doo-doo bird…..
 
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tnvolfan16 said:
i think one thing that athletes, especially football, do not understand is if this does go the way of NCAA becoming a form of pro football and players are employees, yes it will greatly benefit the players who are already making bank off NIL, but the players it will hurt are they ones who never see the field and are using football strictly to get an education. reason being, you now have 85 scholorships and numerous walkons, if they become paid employees, i could see rosters being closer to the 50-55 that NFL rosters are. and the numerous walkons becoming a 10 player practice squad. and it all comes back to the idea that 55 players would cost less than 85
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and to add to this as it pertains to other programs getting cut, if what i said were to happen and 35 scholorships are eliminated from football, the athletic department could cut 35 womens scholorships, which if you ask me would be the rowing team to start with, since from what i have been told, is the most expensive womens team to transport equipment. it will affect all kinds of athletes
 
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Manchester Vol said:
Without TV contract money none of the schools would be breaking even. The coaches wouldn’t be making millions every year either. Pay every last one of these kids on the field and practicing a salary.

If the University of Tennessee football team were pro what would it be worth? $500 million $2 billion?

Like everything else in life there needs to be rules. There aren’t many yet unless NCAA gets their crap together Congress will.
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And when that day comes, you'll look back and think these were the good old days. Congress will do what they always do....over regulate and ruin. They'll find a way to bleed, tax and destroy the sport. They're a f-ing plague leaving nothing but misery in their wake. We want to keep our amateur sports as far away from that sea of scum as possible.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
I'm in favor of players getting their rightful share of the money pie. But now, I wonder where this is all going to end up being.
NLRB claim to argue USC athletes are employees
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They are employees, they will be getting FMLA, STD, LTD, Workers Compensation. As an HR Manager this has been one of my questions from the beginning is who is going to foot that bill? Nico gets hurt and now CANNOT WORK so he files Workers Comp because he was injured playing football (on the job). No one to this day has answered how that’s going to work. Realize this also will lead to lawsuits from the EEOC when a 3rd string RB doesn’t get his way etc….no one listens when I stated this will be the beginning of the end of CFB.
Pandora’s box has been flung way open!
 
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0nelilreb said:
There’s an old saying , be careful what you wish for .. being an employee of the school would be a lot different than having and enjoying a great NIL package with a ton of wiggle room .
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The moment legally someone got paid while using their name with the school, they legally are an employee of that school.
The UT logo is protected but Nico is using his name along with UT to make $8million.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
They are employees, they will be getting FMLA, STD, LTD, Workers Compensation. As an HR Manager this has been one of my questions from the beginning is who is going to foot that bill? Nico gets hurt and now CANNOT WORK so he files Workers Comp because he was injured playing football (on the job). No one to this day has answered how that’s going to work. Realize this also will lead to lawsuits from the EEOC when a 3rd string RB doesn’t get his way etc….no one listens when I stated this will be the beginning of the end of CFB.
Pandora’s box has been flung way open!
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Can't claim to disagree with you. However, if the fat cats hadn't been so greedy, and for so long, we would likely not have this problem. Kid having to beg his coach for a packet of tacos, that nut QB at TAMU who was micro-punished for using his name and likeness to cash in on it, and how many kids dismissed from schools because they did the same? Like many capitalistic attitudes, eventually, the unjust treatment by fat cats results in a revolt, and a form of organization to combat exploitation. Amazon is facing that now, so various other businesses. It's not capitalism (or even communism for that matter) is bad, it's the tendency oh humans to be greedy and exploitative, provoking recent toward the elite who control employment. Too often, the victims take on the greedy and exploitative traits of their oppressors, and so begins a vicious cycle. And here we are.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
They are employees, they will be getting FMLA, STD, LTD, Workers Compensation. As an HR Manager this has been one of my questions from the beginning is who is going to foot that bill? Nico gets hurt and now CANNOT WORK so he files Workers Comp because he was injured playing football (on the job). No one to this day has answered how that’s going to work. Realize this also will lead to lawsuits from the EEOC when a 3rd string RB doesn’t get his way etc….no one listens when I stated this will be the beginning of the end of CFB.
Pandora’s box has been flung way open!
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Attempting to merge the Workers Comp for athletes into the state insurance for less risky "normal" jobs might mean higher premiums for all state employees because the earnings risk for a potential NFL or NBA player. It greatly changes the math, I'd think, for the underwriters.

As for EEOC, I've seen only the barest few (mostly racially based) claims in the pro leagues and almost all based on coaching/management choices. I can't recall, other than playing it out in the media, a benched player making an actual claim of being passed over/mistreated, but someone else may know of a situation I don't. The schools have dealt with these things before though with professors, etc so it might be easier.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
The moment legally someone got paid while using their name with the school, they legally are an employee of that school.
The UT logo is protected but Nico is using his name along with UT to make $8million.
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It's Peyton Manning using UT, the Colts or the Broncos for his endorsements?

I'm not sure you can make a case that the team is responsible for someone's ability to get an NIL deal.
 
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Manchester Vol said:
Without TV contract money none of the schools would be breaking even. The coaches wouldn’t be making millions every year either. Pay every last one of these kids on the field and practicing a salary.

If the University of Tennessee football team were pro what would it be worth? $500 million $2 billion?

Like everything else in life there needs to be rules. There aren’t many yet unless NCAA gets their crap together Congress will.
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You mean you're putting your faith in the do-nothing Congresses? Of course, politicians love corruption so maybe they will get in the game if they can get paid under the table, or in this case, turf.
 
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If a NIL paid player transfers does he void the contract or is the contract still valid?
Is there a buy out for NIL paid players to change schools?
Does the endorsement company retain the contract?
Is there an injury clause that voids the NIL?
California was the first to announce NIL type intentions, FL followed within months, and had the rest of the College World stood still there is no telling what the landscape have looked like today.
The NCAA does nothing and really didn't have a choice because they had no authority to do so. It was taken to the Supreme Court and they got schooled. Sense then there has been little if any guidance.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
If a NIL paid player transfers does he void the contract or is the contract still valid?
Is there a buy out for NIL paid players to change schools?
Does the endorsement company retain the contract?
Is there an injury clause that voids the NIL?
California was the first to announce NIL type intentions, FL followed within months, and had the rest of the College World stood still there is no telling what the landscape have looked like today.
The NCAA does nothing and really didn't have a choice because they had no authority to do so. It was taken to the Supreme Court and they got schooled. Sense then there has been little if any guidance.
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I recall reading that some of those guys riding around in "their" nice Lambo, etc were actually riding in NIL based leased vehicles that didn't allow the lease holder to live out of the area, so basically transfer and lose your fancy whip. I believe Ewers had a fancy truck in Ohio and got an Aston-Martin in TX, or something like that.

I recall also a discussion that some NIL contracts required personal commitments at specific places that would be difficult to fulfill if the athlete transferred.

Obviously contracts like Hyatt's with a Hyatt are national brand contracts that are probably valid no matter where he plays. Young has the Dr Pepper and Toyota commercials and those are nationwide.

The NCAA dropped the ball on all of this years ago and because the schools were making millions and not having to pay their players a "fair market value" as athletes, they were greedy and never tried to work it out. They got spanked by the courts.
 
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Mightyvol said:
The NCAA is powerless to govern this. They will lose every court case. Whatever governing body emerges will need antitrust protection. A players union isn’t far behind imho. College football, as we knew it is gone.
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Good..maybe bowl games will actually mean something other than a thank you for participating trophy
 
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tennesseeduke said:
The moment legally someone got paid while using their name with the school, they legally are an employee of that school.
The UT logo is protected but Nico is using his name along with UT to make $8million.
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And Quinn Ewers was awful everytime I watched the Horns.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Meaning?
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Food for thought.
A lot to consider because you make good points about the UT trademark's link to NIL likeness contracts.

I am a strong proponent of NIL for players, but players becoming official employees is undoubtedly an unmitigated disaster.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
The moment legally someone got paid while using their name with the school, they legally are an employee of that school.
The UT logo is protected but Nico is using his name along with UT to make $8million.
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Is that right? I thought one stipulation of NIL was they could not use the logos or the University directly in the ads.

Is Nico doing ads with or in the UT logo?
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
Is that right? I thought one stipulation of NIL was they could not use the logos or the University directly in the ads.

Is Nico doing ads with or in the UT logo?
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I believe if Nico is showing up in ads with the UT logo, those are for UT.

I'm fairly certain his NIL commercials may have him in an orange jersey but not with a UT logo.
 
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