'24 GA DL Jeremias Heard (Tennessee commit)

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BigOrangeTrain said:
How in the world can that question be answered? You ask a question that’s literally impossible to answer. For all we know this dude could be our Ndamukong Suh. Your question has a silly premise. No single type of player is gonna help us beat UGA.
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So him being a 3* doesn't matter? It doesn't make him a bad player?

You seem to be progressing.
 
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Vawlz said:
But is this the type of player that will beat UGA? You’re dodging the question.
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I'll answer.... Yes. If he develops this is precisely the kind of "find" in recruiting that lets an up and coming program beat an established program. This kid is huge and athletic. He's not experienced but that also means he doesn't have a ton of bad habits to break.
 
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sjt18 said:
So him being a 3* doesn't matter? It doesn't make him a bad player?

You seem to be progressing.
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Nobody mentioned his star rating. Stop trying to lie like you always do. Nobody ever said all 3* players are bad. For the millionth time dude please learn how to comprehend. Are all 3* bad players? No. Are all 3* players good players? No.

The teams that win at the highest level consistently have way fewer 3* players than those who don’t. FACT. You aren’t winning a national championship unless your roster has more high 4 and 5* players. FACT.

Good grief how can you not understand this simple concept?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Nobody mentioned his star rating. Stop trying to lie like you always do. Nobody ever said all 3* players are bad. For the millionth time dude please learn how to comprehend. Are all 3* bad players? No. Are all 3* players good players? No.

The teams that win at the highest level consistently have way fewer 3* players than those who don’t. FACT. You aren’t winning a national championship unless your roster has more high 4 and 5* players. FACT.

Good grief how can you not understand this simple concept?
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I understand what you’re saying, and you’re right to a certain degree. But the harsh reality is that UT is competing for those elite recruits with programs that have sustained success for the highest level for at least a couple of years. I see why some might be concerned about taking “projects” but don’t forget TN is still really deep on some really highly rated prospects and they closed really well with Hobbs and Carter last year (Hobbs was at the UGA game on an OV if memory serves, Carter was a Bama lock a month before ESD).

As far as projects go, I think this is a pretty good one. Of course it might not work, but we’ve seen the same with numerous 5 star players the last 20 years. This staff knows how to find athleticism, we just need to trust their development, it’s easier said than done given the past few administrations, but it seems to me like they know what they’re doing considering the results.

if we go 7-5 this season then yeah, this might be something to panic about, but TN is a pretty hot name rn, especially in MO and AR so just ride the wave rn boys lol.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You aren’t winning a national championship unless your roster has more high 4 and 5* players. FACT.
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Actually, Clemson won a Natty in 2016 with more 3 stars than 4-5 stars on their roster. So... if it's a fact, it's not a historical fact.

And an interesting fact, 1/3 of their 4-5 stars on the roster that year were freshmen, so likely not contributing as much. So, guess who the bulk of the contributors for that title were...
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Actually, Clemson won a Natty in 2016 with more 3 stars than 4-5 stars on their roster. So... if it's a fact, it's not a historical fact.

And an interesting fact, 1/3 of their 4-5 stars on the roster that year were freshmen, so likely not contributing as much. So, guess who the bulk of the contributors for that title were...
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Exceptions don’t prove the rule. But hey let’s look at it anyway for kicks. 2016 Clemson

QB- Watson (borderline 5*) JR
RB- Gallman (4*) RS JR
TE- Leggett (3*) SR
WR- Williams (4*) RS JR
WR- Renfro (walk on) RS SO
WE- Cain (5*) SO
LT- Hyatt (5*) SO
LG- Hearn (3*) RS SO
C- Guillermo (3*) RS SR
RT- Fruhmorgen (4*) SO
RG- Crowder (4*) RS JR

DL- Watkins (4*) RS SR
DL- Wilkins (5*) SO
DL- Ferrell (4*) RS FR
DL- Lawrence (5*) FR
LB- O Daniel (4*) RS JR
LB- Joseph 3*) RS SO
LB- Boulware (4*) SR
DB- Carter (3*) JR
DB- Johnson (3*) SR
DB- Smith (4*) So

Interesting huh?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Actually, Clemson won a Natty in 2016 with more 3 stars than 4-5 stars on their roster. So... if it's a fact, it's not a historical fact.

And an interesting fact, 1/3 of their 4-5 stars on the roster that year were freshmen, so likely not contributing as much. So, guess who the bulk of the contributors for that title were...
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That was before the services caught on to the fact that Dabo is a great evaluator, so started ranking players higher when Clemson offered.

These services don’t know how to evaluate on the level of a P5 coach. If they did, there are jobs that would pay them exponentially more to do so. They follow the lead of offers from the big schools. That’s why rankings “adjust” so often, even when there’s been nothing to base the changes on (other than who offers and who they sign with). Then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because Bama, Ohio St., Clemson, etc. turn out the most NFL players.
 
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Lot of directions/options to go with this kid... He is very athletic and nimble for this size and weight... Who knows where he could help... Heck, if he's as coordinated as he looks, he could pick up where FANT left off 2.0!
 
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What I liked about this commitment is that he has just started playing football. He played basketball in the past. He is under the radar and hasn’t done the camp circuit.

This year he has decided to concentrate on football and this quote was interesting to me.

‘Yeah, let me just get serious and stay on one sport, and don’t worry about pursuing multiple sports anymore.’”

It means now he is going to get serious about football and will see how much he blows up over the summer when he goes to camps.
 
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We can do this tennis match for infinity, but I’m down to the coaches identifying THEIR players and getting out of the way. If the Nerds don’t concur? Sounds like a THEM problem. We’ve seen when that didn’t work with past coaches who developed and schemed poorly. Witnessed a 180 in the relatively short time with this staff, so until it stops working…I’m rollin.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Nobody mentioned his star rating. Stop trying to lie like you always do.
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Interesting defense you employ there. Anyone who shows you wrong or demonstrates your total inconsistency must be "lying". Not lying. You have said and argued ad nauseum that if UT doesn't get a bunch of 4/5* players that they cannot compete. The only "lie" is your attempt to evade that when UT gets a kid like this.

Nobody ever said all 3* players are bad. For the millionth time dude please learn how to comprehend. Are all 3* bad players? No. Are all 3* players good players? No.
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Don't be a coward. You have argued that UT has too many 3* players and that they won't be able to compete with Bama and UGA unless they stop getting those players and start getting 4/5* players as rated by the all knowing recruiting sites.

The teams that win at the highest level consistently have way fewer 3* players than those who don’t. FACT. You aren’t winning a national championship unless your roster has more high 4 and 5* players. FACT.
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LOL... did you not even notice your own inconsistency with that statement? You're not very self-aware, are you?

Good grief how can you not understand this simple concept?
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Because it is a false statement. You need talent to win. Talent DOES NOT depend on the recruiting sites giving your recruits "stars". AND... the recruiting sites have a very strong tendency to "cheat" by following certain proven coaches and favoring their targets.

You are the one who has argued that you can't win with 3* then every time something like this comes up you try to escape your own argument.
 
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butchna said:
We can do this tennis match for infinity, but I’m down to the coaches identifying THEIR players and getting out of the way. If the Nerds don’t concur? Sounds like a THEM problem. We’ve seen when that didn’t work with past coaches who developed and schemed poorly. Witnessed a 180 in the relatively short time with this staff, so until it stops working…I’m rollin.
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This kid is massive and athletic.

The coaches have evaluated him and decided that they can develop him. Like you... I trust the guys who lose their jobs if they're wrong over journalists who are NEVER held accountable for how inaccurate they are.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Exceptions don’t prove the rule. But hey let’s look at it anyway for kicks. 2016 Clemson

QB- Watson (borderline 5*) JR
RB- Gallman (4*) RS JR
TE- Leggett (3*) SR
WR- Williams (4*) RS JR
WR- Renfro (walk on) RS SO
WE- Cain (5*) SO
LT- Hyatt (5*) SO
LG- Hearn (3*) RS SO
C- Guillermo (3*) RS SR
RT- Fruhmorgen (4*) SO
RG- Crowder (4*) RS JR

DL- Watkins (4*) RS SR
DL- Wilkins (5*) SO
DL- Ferrell (4*) RS FR
DL- Lawrence (5*) FR
LB- O Daniel (4*) RS JR
LB- Joseph 3*) RS SO
LB- Boulware (4*) SR
DB- Carter (3*) JR
DB- Johnson (3*) SR
DB- Smith (4*) So

Interesting huh?
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Their bluechip ratio was 52%.

Still undefeated.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Exceptions don’t prove the rule. But hey let’s look at it anyway for kicks. 2016 Clemson
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There are no true exceptions to rules. When you have to make exceptions to a "rule" then you are engaging in some type of special pleading.

The actual "rule" is that most 5* players have a lot of talent and are pursued by top programs. Many 4* do but many of them are no better than 3* who don't get as much attention or attend the right camps.

When Clemson won their first NC their average class was 11th and they beat the team that supposedly had #1. I have very often made the argument that 1) the recruiting sites in general ratings of roster are probably about plus or minus 10 to 15 places and 2) that you don't have to have equal "talent" to beat a highly talented team.
 
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Vol423 said:
A lot of guys on this board just assume that if a kid is tall and has a long wingspan that they’d obviously be a great offensive tackle.
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He has the kinds of measurables you look for but no one knows if he can be developed into anything at all. He's extremely raw.
 
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sjt18 said:
He has the kinds of measurables you look for but no one knows if he can be developed into anything at all. He's extremely raw.
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Yeah I haven't "boomed" yet because I haven't seen of film of him playing football.

You can tell from basketball that he's lite on his feet.
 
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