'17 GA DT Aubrey Solomon (NCAA IS A FAIR ORGANIZATION)

[HalfullVol]

eligible the day of, 10 minutes before. the BYU game

 

[tennvols77]

eligible the day of, 10 minutes before. the BYU game

No kidding, if the NCAA can't/won't have a decision (that should take 2 days to make) by game week they lose the right to pass any judgement, kid should be eligible.

 

[ButchAintOne]

His name is on the official depth chart, whatever that means

 

[bignewt]

His name is on the official depth chart, whatever that means

nothing

 

[SLICKYINC]

His name is on the official depth chart, whatever that means

Means nothing since Pruitt just said they still have no word from the NCAA yet.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

His name is on the official depth chart, whatever that means

That depth chart doesn’t come from the coaches. That would be the first time he saw that depth chart to my understanding.

 

[VflPT22]

That depth chart doesn’t come from the coaches. That would be the first time he saw that depth chart to my understanding.

It does come from the coaches

 

[pismonque]

It does come from the coaches

Pretty sure the official two-deep is established by a select committee of interested fans and bystanders who meet at Champy's in Chatt on the third Thursday of each August.

 

[quadlee21]

It does come from the coaches

$100 to a donut that it comes from graduate assistants. CJP and the staff knows who they are going to play and they damn sure aren't going to spend any time making sure the media knows who is going to play.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I cannot believe that its game week and we haven't heard anything about Solomon yet. This is ridiculous and, in my mind, there is no doubt that Michigan isn't cooperating.

 

[RikidyBones]

I cannot believe that its game week and we haven't heard anything about Solomon yet. This is ridiculous and, in my mind, there is no doubt that Michigan isn't cooperating.

I'd like to think that signing Harbaugh up for cat facts helped here. We will find out.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

It does come from the coaches

So the unofficial depth chart comes from the coaches? Doesn’t make sense otherwise it would be “official.”

 

[theFallGuy]

#FreeAubreySolomon

 

[WarMachine]

#FreeAubreySolomon

unfortunately, I don't think NCAA lawyers/decision makers read volnation.

 

[jakez4ut]

I cannot believe that its game week and we haven't heard anything about Solomon yet. This is ridiculous and, in my mind, there is no doubt that Michigan isn't cooperating.

they're not not cooperating either......

just sitting there like.........

 

[05_never_again]

This transfer stuff still makes no sense to me. Read a lot this summer about how the school the kid is transferring from has a lot to do with whether or not the appeal goes through. If they strongly vouch for you, it'll likely get approved, and the reverse is true.

Does that mean the NCAA can think a kid has a great case for immediate eligibility, but if the school he's transferring from doesn't like it, it'll get denied? And vice versa?

 

[Devo182]

I could only last 5 seconds before

 

[Devo182]

This transfer stuff still makes no sense to me. Read a lot this summer about how the school the kid is transferring from has a lot to do with whether or not the appeal goes through. If they strongly vouch for you, it'll likely get approved, and the reverse is true.

Does that mean the NCAA can think a kid has a great case for immediate eligibility, but if the school he's transferring from doesn't like it, it'll get denied? And vice versa?

Well it's about backing up what is said. Ie every school will try to build a case for a waiver. Now, given current guidelines, will EVERY kid have a legitimate cause for a waiver? Hell no. So, the ncaa wants to see a consistent narrative in some cases (fwiw: the CLR's Information Standards does not require previous institution input in every type of case).

Now, this can also put a lot of power into the previous school's hands. Which is why we should be telling every transfer to get signed documentation supporting a kid's case BEFORE he leaves his prior school imo. So there is no mistunderstanding or he said-she said.

As to your question - any "great" case should have plenty of verifiable documentation and/or independent accounts and reports. If the school tries to deny all that or tell a completely different story, then things probably get messy. Of course then the school may be caught lying to the ncaa. I'd surmise they'll only attempt this route in iffier cases.

 

[05_never_again]

Well it's about backing up what is said. Ie every school will try to build a case for a waiver. Now, given current guidelines, will EVERY kid have a legitimate cause for a waiver? Hell no. So, the ncaa wants to see a consistent narrative in some cases (fwiw: the CLR's Information Standards does not require previous institution input in every type of case).

Now, this can also put a lot of power into the previous school's hands. Which is why we should be telling every transfer to get signed documentation supporting a kid's case BEFORE he leaves his prior school imo. So there is no mistunderstanding or he said-she said.

If that is what they want to see, it is hard to ascertain that given the decisions they made. Martell got to play immediately at Miami because Urban left. Is that a hardship?

 

[Devo182]

If that is what they want to see, it is hard to ascertain that given the decisions they made. Martell got to play immediately at Miami because Urban left. Is that a hardship?

You bolded the part about "consistent narrative". All that takes is OSU supporting Martell's narrative.

No one knows what his case was, just like Solomon's. Unless the player chooses to make it public, we are all in the dark. Trying to decipher case decisions is useless. What I did read about Tate's case was OSU backed his narrative. That is the only fact that leaked from all of that.

Fwiw "well-being" was the term Mars exploited.

 

[rekinhavoc]

I think he should be able to play while this issue is on appeal.

Might get 4 more years eligibility waiting on the NCAA.

 

[theFallGuy]

unfortunately, I don't think NCAA lawyers/decision makers read volnation.

they should

 

[Volbucky]

they should

Peasants

 

[05_never_again]

You bolded the part about "consistent narrative". All that takes is OSU supporting Martell's narrative.

No one knows what his case was, just like Solomon's. Unless the player chooses to make it public, we are all in the dark. Trying to decipher case decisions is useless. What I did read about Tate's case was OSU backed his narrative. That is the only fact that leaked from all of that.

Fwiw "well-being" was the term Mars exploited.

But whatever the "narrative" is, there has to be some kind of hardship involved, right? Say a kid goes to a school and after a couple of years it becomes obvious he isn't going to crack the depth chart. If the kid makes an appeal to play immediately, and the school backs it, you're saying that consistency is all it takes to get it approved?

I thought there had to be some kind of extenuating hardship circumstance (i.e., not "the coach left" or "I'm not starting" or "another player just transferred in and is going to take my job") to get the NCAA to approve these waivers to play immediately.

Unless there's something we don't know (which is certainly possible), Martell didn't appear to have a strong case at all for immediate eligibility. In fact, he appeared to have no case whatsoever, at least based on how the NCAA has treated incidents like that in the past. Yet he got it and got it rather quickly, as have numerous other guys, yet there are other guys like Solomon that still haven't heard anything 5 days before the season starts. It makes no sense. I don't think he did a waiver, but why couldn't Jacob Eason, for example, get immediate eligibility when Jake Fromm took his job? I don't even remember that being discussed as a possibility at the time. I see that as no different as Martell leaving once Fields arrived, or Fields leaving because it was obvious he wasn't going to supplant Fromm.

 

[SweetasSoda]

But whatever the "narrative" is, there has to be some kind of hardship involved, right? Say a kid goes to a school and after a couple of years it becomes obvious he isn't going to crack the depth chart. If the kid makes an appeal to play immediately, and the school backs it, you're saying that consistency is all it takes to get it approved?

I thought there had to be some kind of extenuating hardship circumstance (i.e., not "the coach left" or "I'm not starting" or "another player just transferred in and is going to take my job") to get the NCAA to approve these waivers to play immediately.

Unless there's something we don't know (which is certainly possible), Martell didn't appear to have a strong case at all for immediate eligibility. In fact, he appeared to have no case whatsoever, at least based on how the NCAA has treated incidents like that in the past. Yet he got it and got it rather quickly, as have numerous other guys, yet there are other guys like Solomon that still haven't heard anything 5 days before the season starts. It makes no sense. I don't think he did a waiver, but why couldn't Jacob Eason, for example, get immediate eligibility when Jake Fromm took his job? I don't even remember that being discussed as a possibility at the time. I see that as no different as Martell leaving once Fields arrived, or Fields leaving because it was obvious he wasn't going to supplant Fromm.

Nobody really knows because it is all private unless the player or his family makes it public. Convenient for them.