'24 GA LB Sammy Brown (Clemson commit)

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LouderVol said:
those are the rosters and not the recruiting rankings.

2018: 7th
2017: 16th

2016: 11th
2015: 9th
2014: 16th
2013: 15th

they only out recruited us twice during that time 2016, and 2018.

you don't have to recruit top 10 to have a Top 10 roster.

the classes that made up 2018 Clemson averaged 10.75 recruiting class.
2016 it was even worse 12.75 average recruiting class.

their average class ranking, and roster rankings have only improved since then.
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Due to them not taking as many commitments sure, point being the roster is what you have to work with and you’re not winning a national championship without it being top 10.
 
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LouderVol said:
those are the rosters and not the recruiting rankings.

2018: 7th
2017: 16th

2016: 11th
2015: 9th
2014: 16th
2013: 15th

they only out recruited us twice during that time 2016, and 2018.

you don't have to recruit top 10 to have a Top 10 roster.

the classes that made up 2018 Clemson averaged 10.75 recruiting class.
2016 it was even worse 12.75 average recruiting class.

their average class ranking, and roster rankings have only improved since then.
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One last thing, Averages have went up across the board for the top 10. Clemson plays in a weak conference compared to what faces Tennessee next year and beyond. Tennessee will have to keep improving the roster to match it
 
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bigl3327 said:
They didn't sign elite prospects at all on the OL. They developed those kids and they went out and got it done every single week.
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Also can’t recount the 5 star DL on the championship teams.
 
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VolNash17 said:
One last thing, Averages have went up across the board for the top 10. Clemson plays in a weak conference compared to what faces Tennessee next year and beyond. Tennessee will have to keep improving the roster to match it
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This cannot be overlooked enough. History is basically out the window. The top teams are reaching 80%+ BCR for goodness sake. But luckily we're a part of the rise. We'd be screwed if we weren't.

I would guess it also means the gap between us and the lowest teams should still be increasing. Being able to dominate the bottom SEC teams will help bigly in perception if we can book 7-8 wins right off the top and fight over the other games.
 
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LouderVol said:
those are the rosters and not the recruiting rankings.

2018: 7th
2017: 16th

2016: 11th
2015: 9th
2014: 16th
2013: 15th

they only out recruited us twice during that time 2016, and 2018.

you don't have to recruit top 10 to have a Top 10 roster.

the classes that made up 2018 Clemson averaged 10.75 recruiting class.
2016 it was even worse 12.75 average recruiting class.

their average class ranking, and roster rankings have only improved since then.
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Rosters are comprised of players. Players from recruiting classes.

Clemson recruited really good players, which led to really good rosters.

But they were recruiting smaller classes. Smaller classes mean fewer total points.

Here’s that “also ran” #16 class from 2017 -

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Only 4 teams in the country brought in a more “talented” collection.

Our total points are almost identical to Clemson. But the quality of our class is much closer to Maryland.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Rosters are comprised of players. Players from recruiting classes.

Clemson recruited really good players, which led to really good rosters.

But they were recruiting smaller classes. Smaller classes mean fewer total points.

Here’s that “also ran” #16 class from 2017 -

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Only 4 teams in the country brought in a more “talented” collection.

Our total points are almost identical to Clemson. But the quality of our class is much closer to Maryland.
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you advocating we only take 14 players?
The roster is made up of kids who stick around. Their top 10 roster only got to count those 14 once. Clemson did a better job keeping kids than most other schools did. especially a school like us with a history of some very turbulent coaching/roster changes, and a scholarship limit.

and with 14 players in a class you can't miss, and you have to develop those guys. which might be part of their downfall despite their more highly ranked roster now.
 
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LouderVol said:
you advocating we only take 14 players?
The roster is made up of kids who stick around. Their top 10 roster only got to count those 14 once. Clemson did a better job keeping kids than most other schools did. especially a school like us with a history of some very turbulent coaching/roster changes, and a scholarship limit.

and with 14 players in a class you can't miss, and you have to develop those guys. which might be part of their downfall despite their more highly ranked roster now.
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For a single class, if the options are:
14 players with a 92 avg
28 players with a 87avg

Give me the Blue Chips every time.

Point was, Clemson’s “not that awesome” (team ranked) classes were not a reflection of their “quality” (they were elite), they were a reflection of their “weight”.

Overall point is, Clemson recruited incredibly well en route to its dominant run.
 
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85SugarVol said:
For a single class, if the options are:
14 players with a 92 avg
28 players with a 87avg

Give me the Blue Chips every time.

Point was, Clemson’s “not that awesome” (team ranked) classes were not a reflection of their “quality” (they were elite), they were a reflection of their “weight”.

Overall point is, Clemson recruited incredibly well en route to its dominant run.
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pretty sure the roster comparison is based on total, not on average. I could be wrong, but that seems like a strange way to evaluate the total roster.

the numbers issue comes down to your current needs. was Dooley the HC before this year of 14 vs 28? I mean heck Butch/Pruitt wasn't a much better act to follow. Do we HAVE to take a few more OL because the DA before you didn't take any one year? or are you facing massive roster shortages all over, and simply need bodies so you aren't playing walk-ons in the 4th quarter vs Alabama?

14 worked for Clemson, that one year. There is no way in Hades being that selective and being focused purely on average would have worked out for UT at any point in our recent history, or likely future.
 
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LouderVol said:
pretty sure the roster comparison is based on total, not on average. I could be wrong, but that seems like a strange way to evaluate the total roster.

the numbers issue comes down to your current needs. was Dooley the HC before this year of 14 vs 28? I mean heck Butch/Pruitt wasn't a much better act to follow. Do we HAVE to take a few more OL because the DA before you didn't take any one year? or are you facing massive roster shortages all over, and simply need bodies so you aren't playing walk-ons in the 4th quarter vs Alabama?

14 worked for Clemson, that one year. There is no way in Hades being that selective and being focused purely on average would have worked out for UT at any point in our recent history, or likely future.
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Roster is based on total. How many good players (total) you have on the roster. Blue Chips are statistically more likely to be “good”.

You’re more likely to assemble a good roster taking a higher percentage of blue chips.

This isn’t about Tennessee. We just happened to be right next to Clemson in those rankings.

This is about Team Recruiting Rankings & National Championships, and everyone’s favorite “what-about” - Clemson.

It’s a false example. It’s not true. Clemson recruited incredibly well, and stacked Blue Chips.
 
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white65 said:
Leaning toward cheering for FSU to demolish Clemson and blow up the program, but then we'll be competing with FSU for more recruits so who knows.

I know Georgia was likely 2nd here but if he goes there maybe they drop Cole or another stud the could help us.
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Georgia will take as many as they want, numbers be damned.
 
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