Game Summary (Memphis - 11/22)

#51
#51
DrunkJohnny said:
Damn Golden.

Oh well. I think we are going to be much better than expected in SEC play this year, can't wait.
Click to expand...

Yes, IMO Golden should have known to take a TO, or at least know that he should consider taking one, therefore looking for a signal from Martin.
 
#52
#52
OrangeBalls said:
We had multiple possessions in the 1st OT to take control of the game. I think Memphis was choking. They knew they were supposed to win and I figured if we got it close then they would tighten up. They seemed to in the 1st OT and we had our chance to go for the throat, but had multiple bad possessions with a bad 3 or Golden throwing up a wild shot and then we gave them a second life and they took it.
Click to expand...

Couldn't agree more. We had a chance to really take control, and Golden decided to play selfish.
 
#53
#53
LawVol13 said:
Couldn't agree more. We had a chance to really take control, and Golden decided to play selfish.
Click to expand...

It would be tough and you try not to, but trae maybe should have sat for a few. He was a liability on the defensive end as well. His confidence was toast. Again, hard to do, but calm him down, coach him up and build his confidence, and put him back in.
 
#56
#56
pl3 said:
It would be tough and you try not to, but trae maybe should have sat for a few. He was a liability on the defensive end as well. His confidence was toast. Again, hard to do, but calm him down, coach him up and build his confidence, and put him back in.
Click to expand...

I agree, pl3. I can certainly see why Martin left him in though. I'm assuming he was thinking that Golden had to come out of it at some point, but he just didn't.
 
#57
#57
LawVol13 said:
If you're insinuating that I wouldn't give Pearl the same pass, you're wrong. Last year in late game situations, our closest shot was from about 35 feet. If Pearl had gotten us the same exact shots as we got today, I'd defend them as good plays.
Click to expand...

That's my point. I thought Pearl's inbounds and plays off of time outs last years sucked and this was not very good either. Given the one play Maymon was open but everyone else was standing around and when you pass it to you point guard underneath and no one else is doing anything it was either poorly conceived or poorly executed take your pick. Too much standing around for me after the timeouts imo both last year under Pearl and tonight. It will improve but sucked tonight.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#58
#58
Fullfillmer said:
That's my point. I thought Pearl's inbounds and plays off of time outs last years sucked and this was not very good either. Given the one play Maymon was open but everyone else was standing around and when you pass it to you point guard underneath and no one else is doing anything it was either poorly conceived or poorly executed take your pick. Too much standing around for me after the timeouts imo both last year under Pearl and tonight. It will improve but sucked tonight.
Click to expand...

No one was just standing. I think you don't fully understand how difficult it is to inbound the ball when athletes like Memphis has switch every screen and deny everything while also having a big on the ball. We moved and screened, and they switched everything and made life difficult.
 
#59
#59
Have to mention lack of any coaching happening with that Memphis squad. They don't defend or rebound and both require coaching apart from rah rah AAU style horse shiz.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#60
#60
LawVol13 said:
Absolutely. One game doesn't take away from the fact that Trae Golden is a really good player. He just put too much pressure on himself today to perform, and he played really bad. Happens to all players.
Click to expand...

I agree.

As for these complaints about the drawn-up plays in overtime, I don't see the criticism. He's coaching young kids who have largely never played in circumstances like this before. Sometimes they'll make mistakes under pressure - and sometimes the other team just makes a play. I was pleasantly surprised that they showed as much poise as they did.

Despite the losses, Tennessee showed that they can play some of the best teams in the nation and hold their own. I'm proud of them.
 
#61
#61
LawVol13 said:
No one was just standing. I think you don't fully understand how difficult it is to inbound the ball when athletes like Memphis has switch every screen and deny everything while also having a big on the ball. We moved and screened, and they switched everything and made life difficult.
Click to expand...
We almost never screened. When we finally did break a big man to the ball, we beat it.
 
#62
#62
Yeah, I don't see the awesome coaching abilities in Pastner that Memphis fans see. Having an overwhelmingly winning record in C-USA with the kind of talent the name "MEMPHIS" brings in isn't much of an accomplishment.
 
#63
#63
SGMVols said:
Maymon wasn't anywhere near this good last year.
Click to expand...

The point is that he was 100 times better than Pearl. Now he's 1000 times better than Pearl or perhaps you think that last year Pearl should have played more minutes than Maymon.

The point is - he should have played instead of Pearl and probably one or two others. He didn't play enough minutes for some people to see his true potential.... perhaps you were one of those.
 
#64
#64
MemphisCanes said:
I hope the way Maymon treated our bigs today makes them take a long, hard look in the mirror when they put their uniforms on tomorrow. Maymon was the hammer today, they were the nail.
Click to expand...

MemphisCanes, if you have ANY influence at all Pastner needs to get the attention of all his guys...I saw them play in person several times last year and the year before....and I saw it today it the huddle....ABSOLUTELY NO DISCIPLINE ON THAT TEAM...He has at least as much talent as any college team in the country...no way they should lose to Michigan and have to go 2 OT's to beat us....not hating on the Tigers but one thing that bothers me more than anything is seeing talent-laden teams not play to their best...not sure I have EVERY seen the Memphis team do that...
 
#65
#65
BigPapaVol said:
We almost never screened. When we finally did break a big man to the ball, we beat it.
Click to expand...

They screened every single inbounds play under the goal. In fact, I just went back and rewatched it. They set interior screens both times. Once, Golden missed Maymon. The next time, Memphis effectively switched it. We then set cross screens running a guard to the baseline. Memphis switched it and denied it. It's not as simple as some of you like to pretend.
 
#66
#66
Chris4Vols22 said:
Yes, IMO Golden should have known to take a TO, or at least know that he should consider taking one, therefore looking for a signal from Martin.
Click to expand...

Good point guards-- and Golden will be one - look to the bench first in that situation. I think this will come in time.
 
#67
#67
Fullfillmer said:
The point is that he was 100 times better than Pearl. Now he's 1000 times better than Pearl or perhaps you think that last year Pearl should have played more minutes than Maymon.

The point is - he should have played instead of Pearl and probably one or two others. He didn't play enough minutes for some people to see his true potential.... perhaps you were one of those.
Click to expand...

I'm more along this line of thinking. You could tell that Maymon was clearly superior to Pearl when he played last year; however, I'm not sure anyone could have predicted that he would play this well under Martin.
 
#68
#68
BigPapaVol said:
Have to mention lack of any coaching happening with that Memphis squad. They don't defend or rebound and both require coaching apart from rah rah AAU style horse shiz.
Click to expand...


You don't think they boxed out maymon? You'd think after a dozen boards that they would consider it.
 
#69
#69
Unlike Duke, Memphis could just straight up out-athlete them. And we'd still have had them if the sophomore duo hadn't turned in the worst game of their careers on the same night.

Maymon is a man. (He's 34). He'll struggle against bigger interiors (see: Duke game), but he plays taller than he is, and he's going to make things happen for us.

Trae needs to shake this one off, get back at it, and focus on making good decisions.

I <3 Cuonzo.
 
#70
#70
Fullfillmer said:
The point is that he was 100 times better than Pearl. Now he's 1000 times better than Pearl or perhaps you think that last year Pearl should have played more minutes than Maymon.

The point is - he should have played instead of Pearl and probably one or two others. He didn't play enough minutes for some people to see his true potential.... perhaps you were one of those.
Click to expand...

Maybe so, but that was last year. Noone ever saw a semblance of this in practice or games. He was late to town, out of shape, mad, and questioning his decision with he BP issues.

Big props to him. Somebody got in that kids ear and he has responded. Many don't.
 
#71
#71
LawVol13 said:
They screened every single inbounds play under the goal. In fact, I just went back and rewatched it. They set interior screens both times. Once, Golden missed him. The next time, Memphis effectively switched it. We then set cross screens running a guard to the baseline. Memphis switched it and denied it. It's not as simple as some of you like to pretend.
Click to expand...

You can go watch it again but I saw alot of people standing around - there might have very well been the initial screen that you described but after that there was a tremendous amount of standing around.
 
#72
#72
pl3 said:
Maybe so, but that was last year. Noone ever saw a semblance of this in practice or games. He was late to town, out of shape, mad, and questioning his decision with he BP issues.

Big props to him. Somebody got in that kids ear and he has responded. Many don't.
Click to expand...

With Martin, that kind of crap isn't allowed. That's becoming very clear. McRae saw where tossing up stupid shots and playing nonchalant defense gets you.
 
#73
#73
Fullfillmer said:
You can go watch it again but I saw alot of people standing around - there might have very well been the initial screen that you described but after that there was a tremenous amount of standing around.
Click to expand...

We'll just have to agree to disagree. He ran a play where his players set screens and had multiple options. Memphis played it well. I'm not going to criticize the call.
 
#75
#75
LawVol13 said:
With Martin, that kind of crap isn't allowed. That's becoming very clear. McRae saw where tossing up stupid shots and playing nonchalant defense gets you.
Click to expand...

Mcrae didn't play much late. I think we are also seeing why he sat last year. I hope CM is the one that got in his ear. That would be a great sign.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top